6 January 2007

Births and names 6-JAN-07

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The births column in the paper today was quite a large one and contained a bumper crop of exciting new names.

Nataliya Theresa Ciampa: shows great creative use of the letter “y” that is so abundant these days.

Jorja Rose Davanzo: Georgia is a pretty name but I think the Js rather ruin it.

Ryton Bailey Farmer: I’m almost certain this is just plain made up.

Voilette Grace Santosuosso: I wonder if this is for real or if the Canberra Times people just misspelled Violet.

Tamika Montana Straney: this is just fabulous in its creativity really.

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There are different ways to spell the same name. Johannes, Ivan, John, Hans, Jack etc are all the same name. Mark can be Marc if the person’s of French descent, there’s nothing wrong with that. Also, there are different conventions for transliterating words from, e.g., Cyrillic – Natalia, Natalya, Nataliya, Natalija etc are all acceptable. I don’t think the above name (Nataliya) is a problem, though the surname sounds Italian rather than Slavonic.

If it’s a name you recognise, but a new spelling, chances are it’s your own ignorance rather than their boganismo (not always of course).

Some of the others are unacceptable… not sure about Ryton, know it’s a town in England (and a pesticide); and Jorja could be a feminine form of Jorge or something – of course, it would be pronounced differently from Georgia.

Tamika sounds like an acceptable Eastern European/Russian name. I am in total agreement with those criticising naming kids after American states however. THIS IS AUSTRALIA! Call your kid Tasmania, or Queensland, or Rottnest or something.

“They fuck you up, your mum and dad. / They may not mean to, but they do…”. Philip Larkin quotes (English Poet, 1922-1985).

I don’t have a lot of time for parents. They regard their children as chattels and status symbols (if the kids are successful). When they give a name to their kids, they are usually thinking of their selfish selves (“what a cool name -river lake phoenix burley griffin! Look at the names that self-aggrandizing prat, Robert Geldof, named his kids (Trixibell etc.) And in a similar vein, who can remember the names that labor stalwart (Bob Hawke’s time)gave to his kids – “Neptune” etc. Can you imagine the school bully holding the unfortunate’s head under the water at the swimming pool and saying “well Neptune, King of the Sea, show us what you can do!”.

smiling politely8:43 pm 08 Jan 07

Must admit I can see both sides of the argument here. But my overwhelming feeling has been one of relief that my kid’s name wasn’t picked up in an earlier “births and names” thread.

A number of the comments on this post are snobby and paternalistic.
Have those of you making such comments ever considered that some of the most common names are not what you would call ‘user-friendly’? We are socialised into spelling from day one. We get used to cough, thorough, through, and rough but people balk at unusual names or those with non-anglo origins. Yet consider the names John (why the h?), Anne (why the e?), Michael (which should be pronounced Mitch-ay-elle if it is to be pronounced phonetically) or Stephen (Steven would be OK with your criteria) – but you would reject names such as Sian (an old Welsh name) or Lachlan (another old celtic name) because they are not ‘user friendly’.
Well I have a revelation for you. Even if you are named Jane, people ask whether it’s with a y or not, and if you are Mark people ask if it’s with a c or a k. Not to mention all the people that have to spell their surname anyway! (Are they supposed to change it for bank tellers?!)
What a boring world it would be if everyone was named Charlotte, Grace, Jessica, Jack, and Will (which, by the way, it seems half of Canberra has named their children).
People name their kids for all sorts of reasons, including family tradition, their own prejudices from other wallies they’ve met, and actually wanting something unusual.
Having said that I wouldn’t have named my kids the names above ;).
But really there’s no reason to be judgemental about what other people name their kids when it really has nothing to do with me or you!

OpenYourMind5:47 pm 08 Jan 07

Need some advice on boy’s names. Check out this YouTube advice from George Carlin. NSFW (Not Suitable for Work) warning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8aiYVFA-70

although, just to clarify, i did say earlier that i don’t care if you guys want to pay out names. whatever, i pay out retards all the time. it just seems stupid to me that nyssa is crying about how children with different names are bullied at school while taunting them herself on the internet. :shrug:

yup, my name is Ryton. that is obviously the reason i’m not paying out children because they’re different.

VYBerlinaV8_now with_added_grunt4:45 pm 08 Jan 07

Hey here’s a good one, how about we call some kid “Rytard”.

VYBerlinaV8_now with_added_grunt4:43 pm 08 Jan 07

A dollar says that Toastie’s real name is Ryton. In the interest of demonstrating the point made earlier, piss off Ryton ya smelly prick.

No offence intended.

And his mum’s name was Florida…

jj in ‘goodtimes’ used to sing out to his homeboy ‘ryton’ constantly.

when he wasnt looking for his mate ‘dyn-o-mite’ of course.

who are you to decide that Ryton is a bogan name? if you took a second and did some research you’d find that the name actually comes from somewhere and means something.

fistingdwarves3:16 pm 08 Jan 07

Bogans who name their baby bogans “Ryton” etc are cunts.

Caz from TSSH recently highlighted the case of a 26yo bogan cunt who called her four kids Chelsea Bun, Texas Holden, Markson Spencer, and (wait for it) April May-June. Bitch deserves to be fisted into the next century for that. Then again, the skool that those kids go to (at least until they drop out) will probably bash kids whose names are ‘Charles’ and ‘David’ et al.

Isn’t this post just about paying out peoples names- rather than trying to save kids from being paid out.

it’s stupid to suggest that parents should give their children plain, unoriginal names just in case it gets them picked on.
i mean, it’s not as though they’ve used a name like Elevator or anything. it’s totally ignorant to label these names as ‘boganised’. the people on here who are pointing fun and ridiculing these names are just as bad as those bullies in primary school. i don’t care that much, if you want to laugh you can. but to blame the parents for these children being bullied when you’re all doing a similar thing is ludicrous. it is the bullies who have to change – not the names.

perhaps not simto but I’m sure if you want to ‘fly into the radar’ you want to for doing something as opposed to being something…

Hm, I just don’t know that “hide under the radar, make sure nobody ever pays attention to you” is exactly the message we want to be sending our kids. But, hey, you’re the expert…

simto the name was highly unusual – and I won’t mention it on here as the child is now an adult and deserves his privacy.

Yes kids will bash another just for looking the wrong way at them.

However, if you have a boganised name you become “higher up” in the radar.

All it takes is the parents actually using a braincell.

I have just finished reading “Freakonomics”, by Steven Levitt & Stephen Dubner. The book is discribed as a ‘rogue economist explores the hidden side of everything’. There is a chapter on parents naming their children and how it varies by race, income, education etc. It gives 10 spellings of “Jasmine” and mentions a researcher getting a call from a concerned black woman who was upset at the name just given to her baby neice. It was pronounced shu-TEED but was in fact spelt “Shithead”.

Kids’ll who want to bash other kids will do so for any number of reasons – ’cause they’re more educated, less educated, different colours, have more cool stuff, have less cool stuff or just because they don’t like the look on their faces.

Blaming the names is a nonsense explanation, and I’d expect better from the educated, intelligent people who read Riotact.

VYBerlinaV8_now with_added_grunt10:16 am 08 Jan 07

“If a kid is bashing another due to how he spells his name, surely the one doing the bashing has somewhat serious problems anyway? “

Tell that to the kids getting his nose broken and teeth knocked out, all the while feeling angry and helpless because his mother was an uneducated loser who gave him a stupid name.

The one doing the bashing is unlikely to know how to spell the other kid’s name anyway, so is probably bashing him for a different reason.

If a kid is bashing another due to how he spells his name, surely the one doing the bashing has somewhat serious problems anyway?

Yeah, sorry Wonsworld, I can be a tad juvenile at times. However it does amuse me when people say they have the best interests of kids at heart here “I’ve had to separate kids for bashing another due to his name” etc. Get off your high horses, people. This is all about poking fun at people who you perceive to be lower down the pecking order and it’s rubbish.

wonsworld, whatever.

I’ve had to separate kids for bashing another due to his name. So you can stick it. Parents don’t think of the impact it will have on their child. Hell Jason Lee’s son is named Pilot Inspektor FFS.

Oh and in Japanese the name would be pronounced differently i.e. Ta-mi-ka.

Aeek, sorry what main language is spoken here?

The “y” and other bastardisations of names are pathetic attempts to be “creative” and “unusual” but are plain shite.

It’s the kids that suffer, not the boganised parents.

Correct… No one is forcing me to read it, however, that’s not my argument.

Apehammer, I was hoping to keep this adult and rational… I should have known better.

VG, I think you maybe missed my point. Being both a bank teller and a public servant in my past (sad yes), I would always ask for spelling anyhow. Even with regular names (Jenny/Jennie/Jeanie, Vikki/Vicky/Vickie/Vickie, Jon/John, Geoff/Jeff etc).

My point was why do we care what people name their children? And more specifically, why do we find a need to point at someone and laugh at the kid’s name?

In the list above, the names are not that unusual 2 are very old English names (even assuming Voilette is not a CT Typo), one is Russian and the other has both Hebrew/Japanese origins (which might indicate Nyssa’s ignorance of name etymology rather than the parents arrogance or ignorance of the English Language).

It must be hard to some to appreciate that maybe bank clerks might ask for spelling of names to prevent that little thing called fraud.

I have tertiary qualifications. If someone tells me their name is pronounced ‘Georgia’ then that how I’ll spell it.

At least the Lexus drivers can spell it (‘Lexcus’??)

Most of these names are spelt correctly, just not in English. We’re not in Ye Olde England anymore.

Then you’re a tool.

If you don’t like the post you don’t have read it.

I’ve seen kids picked on for their names and some even bashed for it. If the parents thought for 2 seconds they might remember how cruel kids can be and re-think the name. Or actually spell it right.

Adding a “y” does not promote intelligence. It does promote one of two things 1) ignorance in the English language or 2) a sense of arrogance (on the parents’ part) that their child’s name has to be the most unusual.

Fuck me. Don’t like it? Don’t read it. It’s not that hard, no one is forcing you.

Well I would. Actually, I did.

I’d hardly call Kerces an ‘uptight little fuckwad’ nor her actions ‘the very definition of cuntness’.

Yeah Wonsworld, right on baby! Stick it to the uptight little fuckwads that have nothing better to do than trawl the Times for perceived boganality. It is the very definition of cuntness. Apart from that I quite like the site.

And it just may be that the bank clerks or public servants who need to waste time and ask “could you spell that for me”, reflects the education level of the banker or public servant. Not someone who spells his or her name with a hyphen.

So you’re saying that a banker/PS is meant to automatically type in “Jorja” when the person’s name is “Georgia”?
I’m sorry, but if assuming “Georgia” is spelt G-E-O-R-G-I-A makes you stupid, then the majority of us must be pre-school fucktards.

I think http://www.wah-wah-i-hate-riotact.com is still available as a domain name

at summernats i procured a summernats mousemat. thereby satisfying both nerdish and boganish aspects of my personality.

nothing like a good booner bash.

and if they bestow foolish names on their offspring, why not accept the free kick.

Wonsworld, yeah you could f*ck off and start your own darn blog but we’d much perfer it if you hung around.

As I’m sure you know Riot does have a couple of people with journalistic backgrouds who contribute to it but by and large it’s contributes are like you and me, Joe Canberran who just wants to have his or her say, and that’s what Riot is all about, letting EVERYONE have their say, either as articals (admin of course has editoral approval – we don’t have to agree with it just make sure its canberra relevent) or in the comments like you just have.

Unfortunately I agree with you there does seems to be a spate of boogan bashing at the moment. As a occasional chardy sipping individual with ex-boogan tendancies I know you’re right about there being dickheads in all walks of life.

Ryton ™: is that not a pesticide?

OpenYourMind12:55 am 07 Jan 07

I appreciate the RiotACT photographic journeys, I appreciate the Canberra news (both serious and whimsical), and highlighting the Canberra bogan baby names is always a treat!
Remember to look out for Maddison (with two D’s)
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=f3efd88753d2450ec1bb30917ecb475b.977409

This website is such a contradiction. There are amazing articles like the images of Canberra, informative articles like the spot light on Canberra Businesses and even fun articles like Singleton Guides. Then there is the constant “bogan” references day in day out, like this crap.

Have we run out of things to whine about to such an extent that we now scour the CT to poke fun at people’s names? How self-righteous are we? How precious?

If the families concerned are happy and proud at the names they have chosen, then why should it concern us in the slightest what names the kids are given. In fact even if they hate the names, what has it got to do with any of us?

Yes there are VB swilling, ute driving, mullet wearing yobbos who are welfare cheats, but they would be equally matched with an opposing number of Chardonnay swilling, Lexcus driving, comb over dickheads who cost us more in Tax evasion/loopholes etc.

And it just may be that the bank clerks or public servants who need to waste time and ask “could you spell that for me”, reflects the education level of the banker or public servant. Not someone who spells his or her name with a hyphen.

If these articles are the “journalistic” quality that RiotACT is striving for, then its hardly any wonder “accreditation” is refused to events, grand openings and whatever.

And yeah I know, if I don’t like it I can f*ck off and start my own blog etc…

“Voilette” sounds fine if you do it in a broad Yorkshire accent..

Voilette – rhymes with toilet . . . HAS to be a typo, surely? ‘Violette’ though is pretty.
B t I am really O-V-A-H those USA place names – Montana, Dakota, etc

Voilette I’ll pay, Violette would be the regular spelling.
Nataliya, a quick google, looks like a regular name.
Jorja likewise, just not a very anglo name. The actress may be a coincidence.
Names from many nations, so many spellings.

Don’t they know that all males should be called Bruce, to avoid confusion.

Jorja’s a CSI actress’ name. Yes, it’s sad that I know this, but I do. And yes, I’m aware it’s the height of bogan-ness to pick names based on people on the telly.

what we need is a registrar to approve the names. he can look at ‘tamika’ or ‘ryton’ (right on man – like he wont get bullied forEVER) and say ‘name declined – come back wth something more sensible’.

this is what happens when bogans get creative. this year ‘the feature wall’ next year teh kids names.

If you say Voilette out aloud it is very Kath and Kim

Thanks for the lead-in Kerces, to raise a pet hate – hyphenated names and difficult to spell names! I think anyone with a difficult to spell name should change it to something more user-friendly. The cost to the economy of bank clerks, public servants etc needing to waste time and ask “could you spell that for me” and then having to spend more time typing in the (usually long) name and inevitably getting it wrong resulting in more wasted time … is probably staggering! I mean, really, and no offense intended, should people really be allowed to have names like this – Triantafillopoulous?

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