How soft are our bikies?

I can tell you that if bikies want your business you will be hounded, I know as I worked for a business, the harassment went on for two years, and guess what, they didn’t get the business ha ha, little men on their own

One of the bikers used to have his own column and also helped street kids.

I used to work with some bikers at a newspaper in Parramatta (Cumberland Newspapers), they are the ones that give their time for charity, not the bikies, there is a big difference between them.

over the years there have been numerous individuals who have stood up to the rebels in a one on one situation.the individual rebel has usually backed down,or got smashed.safety in numbers.recruit the real men to drive the scum out of town.the police won`t/can`t

i`ll back you up jb,that should scare off most of them,2 v 50! i may or may not be armed but.c****

mango said :

A suggestion maybe JB could have a face to face meeting with the bikkis and see how soft he thinks they are, they would be great feedback for us that log on this site JB.

Ivan Milat wasnt a bikkie, nor were that Anita Coby murderres so why is it only in the ACT if a murder occurs it is directed at the underworld or bikkis?

Could it be that some Canberrians are being small minded, one would consider instead of individuals looking to have a stigma attached to certain people how about working together as a community to make Canberra a better place? There is good and bad in all places, groups, races and religions.

JB – Here you go again with the Downer murders I noticed. The Bolas was a ex bikki but the presumably murderer wasn’t nor was the deceased female so lets not start a new thread with more rumours, leave that one to the upcoming committal hearing.

Personally I’ve always been partial to scotch fingers (doubly so when attached to scottish lasses).

But a couple of quick points in reply:

1) We’re actually in agreement. I’m trying to point out here that the bikies have been the victims in these incidents/

2) There’s only one of me. How many “bikkis” need to be in the room to make their point?

What type of bikki mango ?

I really have a penchant for caramel crowns and jaffa slice

A suggestion maybe JB could have a face to face meeting with the bikkis and see how soft he thinks they are, they would be great feedback for us that log on this site JB.

Ivan Milat wasnt a bikkie, nor were that Anita Coby murderres so why is it only in the ACT if a murder occurs it is directed at the underworld or bikkis?

Could it be that some Canberrians are being small minded, one would consider instead of individuals looking to have a stigma attached to certain people how about working together as a community to make Canberra a better place? There is good and bad in all places, groups, races and religions.

JB – Here you go again with the Downer murders I noticed. The Bolas was a ex bikki but the presumably murderer wasn’t nor was the deceased female so lets not start a new thread with more rumours, leave that one to the upcoming committal hearing.

Luke79 Yes bikies can be nice, if you haven’t got what they want and they aren’t wearing their patches

I-filed said :

I”m surprised no-one mentions that a significant segment of “bikie” (“biker”?) culture is alienated Vietnam Vets …

At best, maybe 20 years ago, but I’d still argue teh word ‘significant’ is too strong. Vet’s do have their own bike club/gang but those even that rode with the other gangs would certainly be in the minority at best.

I”m surprised no-one mentions that a significant segment of “bikie” (“biker”?) culture is alienated Vietnam Vets …

Sleep well, Devil. It’s a new day tomorrow.

Hugs,
Granny

Fair call BB.

The ‘the end’ was in reference to Greg being a biker.

I’m going to bed. Its been a long, weird day.

Two Canberra residents who have been a passenger in my cab, one a mate, one not, in separate incidents are now both dead under tragic circumstances. Anyone else wanna ride with me ?? 🙂

Didn’t this one just get way off topic. If any person here can genuinely look at themselves and say they have no preconceived ideas about any person of a different race, gender, occupation then you are doing better than me.

Back OT.

I rode a Harley once. It was a piece of crap. Poor acceleration, poor handling, really bad brakes (I found this out when attempting to brake calmly about the same time I normally would. Much to my surprise) and not that comfortable.

Then you have the open faced helmet thing – bugger that just quietly. After you have copped a bee in the face at 100km/h you will know what I mean.

Then the idea of being some blokes little bitch for as long as they decide to keep you there to ‘buy’ your way into the gang. No thanks.

Never met a member of an OMCG who didn’t think they were shit hot because of their gang affiliation.

Not really and sorry DnD, I was just saying why post it if you don’t want to discuss it? You came back anyway just as I thought you would. If someone had said Greg was a biker you’d have kept on arguing, which is fine but then why put “the end” on your post when you know you’ll come back.

Sorry, long day.

I meant the ins and outs of all the details about who did what to who and why etc etc, I’m not getting into THAT side of it. But wanted to clear up the misinformation by the OP where the inference is that Greg was a biker. Greg didn’t even own a bike FFS.

Is that clearer ?

Devil_n_Disquiz said :

I don’t wanna get into this is a public domain…but do just want to pass comment on that I knew Greg and he was NOT a biker. The End

If you didn’t want to get into it, why post it? You know you’re going to check back, just in case.

I don’t wanna get into this is a public domain…but do just want to pass comment on that I knew Greg and he was NOT a biker. The End

Toys in the left pannier, ????? in the right

I am a bit over this whole ‘they are good guys because they do a toy run once a year” cr@p. The mafia donate money to the Catholic Church, JI set up schools for impoverished children in Indonesia. Do either of those things make them ‘good guys’? All the people who think they are misunderstood should speak to Don Hancock and Lou Lewis’ family.

Fisho, I’ve gotta say, there is a huge, huge difference between equality of cultures and their identifying traits. All cultures have good and bad traits. None is better than the other, all things considered.

How soft are our bikies?

Very

I stopped being in gangs when I was 10. About the same time I realised that standing up for yourself was an option. Some people never realise that

jessieduck said :

Emlyn Ward said :

AngryHenry said :

Emlyn…

1. You are a racist c-nt

I’ve never heard a c-nt make a racist comment. Merely the odd queef.
Is there a special school or something?
A Pink Bits Linguistic Society?
A Female Underground C-n’t Knowledge Holistic Open Learning Environment?

Is this what that Secret Womens Business stuff is all about?

I’m sure those in the know will tell me ‘If you don’t know by now, I’m not going to tell you’

And could everybody PLEASE flush twice, LBG needs water.

We’re gonna get it hard then, Fisho, lol.

p1 said :

One that invaded Palestine and terrorises its inhabitants in the name of an ancient religion?

You are talking about Christians and the Crusades yes?

I think there’s a roster system or something, give it a century the sides will swap over the attacker/defender roles.

Emlyn Ward said :

‘people from far less disciplined cultures than our own’.

*sigh* that comment reveals you for what you are

All cultures are not equal. Deal with it.

Sad but true. Certain cultures have certain traits and certain problems. UK anglers are more inclined to release carp, redfin or trout after capture. Does that make me anti-Anglo or something?

If you aren’t prepared to look a problem squarely in the eye you will never fix it. Why do you think the Police set up a Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad? Boredom? Wanted to annoy the Liberals? Ignoring a problem won’t make it go away.

Remember that tags like ‘racism’ are easy ways to ignore a problem, and following the dictates of political correctness just means you are too stupid to do your own thinking.

Aww, come back Jakez, I want to beat you up for that. Metaphorically, of course.

I think our culture, which relies on the suffering of third world countries to keep it’s luxurious standard of living has a lot to answer for.

With the changing face of 1%’ers, I think that’s due to a changing face of our society and who’s at the bottom. The lebs are getting it pretty tough in sydney, hence joining gangs would be more appealing to them.

Loose Brown said :

I think bikies are misunderstood.

I regularly play Dungeons and Dragons in a group with two OMG members. They had to stop coming to our ‘stich and bitch’ knitting class though – Maggot and BitchPiss got RSI.

How to out yourself as an SCA’er on the internet….

What makes it hard to so hard to prosecute criminal elements in certain outlaw motorcycle gangs is that they are in a gang. Bit like the mafia. It’s all very well johnboy to give us those loaded voting choices but what about our civil liberties when clearly identifiable groups in our society are allowed to intimidate other citizens and get away with a lot of criminal activity.

I had an unusual encounter with a bikie once. He was a kind of scary individual, who was threatening to kill some young lad at the table because he fancied himself in love with the young lad’s rather pregnant girlfriend.

So it was a bit stressful and the atmosphere was kind of charged. He was also completely off his face. At one stage he even fell over.

Anyway, I was sitting there with my disabled daughter next to me in her stroller. She must have been seven or eight at the time. And this hard, hard man who carried this air of violence all around him just melted before my eyes.

He talked to her so softly and gently. He said, ‘Nobody else in the world even notices that you’re here,’ and he was right. He asked me if he could touch her and I said yes, and he just kept talking and stroking her cheek and her hair with his long, yellow fingernail. I was half-fascinated, half-afraid and half just hurting for him.

It was one of the more poignant experiences of my life.

p1 said :

Personally, I THINK THAT anyone whO rides a motorbike is probably a know-nothing know it all, rightwing HIPPY Catholic atheist. They want to convert ‘straylia into a A-RAB contry and make us all wear Burkahs.

Now I am going to ride my motor bike home before the storm hits (literally and figuratively).

I will be sure to mention that to a couple of ladies who ride hogs and scare the beejeezus out of me.

Personally, I THINK THAT anyone whO rides a motorbike is probably a know-nothing know it all, rightwing HIPPY Catholic atheist. They want to convert ‘straylia into a A-RAB contry and make us all wear Burkahs.

Now I am going to ride my motor bike home before the storm hits (literally and figuratively).

johnboy said :

And Emlyn earns herself a spot in moderation.

Which is frankly a relief.

Yes! Way to go!!!

Go polish your jack-boots elsewhere.

So, how about those bikkies eh?

I am a big fan of the ones that don’t get to soggy and disintegrate in my cup of tea…

Hang on, we were talking about BIKIES weren’t we?

…my bad.

jakez said :

…Well this thread sucks now.

I should have been more blatant in proposing my radical pro gun rights agenda. At least then I would have been interested in the off topic discussion.

Ralph started it.

…Well this thread sucks now.

I should have been more blatant in proposing my radical pro gun rights agenda. At least then I would have been interested in the off topic discussion.

+1

p1 said :

And then for an encore, you might like to observe that 99% of human achievement across all fields of human endeavour occurred in European cultures.

I guess that depends on what you consider to be human achievement then doesn’t it.

The Chinese invented a few things of note: Paper, Printing, Gunpowder and the Compass.

Not to mention they were drinking alcoholic beverages in about 9000BC, about the same time they figured it out in the Middle East.

you forgot about the english staple afternoon fare – Tea…

Emlyn Ward said :

AngryHenry said :

Emlyn…

Cultures may be different, but one is no better or worse than any other in my opinion.

And that opinion is gibberish.
Is one culture “no better or worse” than another which performs female genital mutilation? One that carries out suttee? A culture so backward it never made it out of the stone-age? One that invaded Palestine and terrorises its inhabitants in the name of an ancient religion? The culture which carried out the single most destructive attack on human intellectual achievement by torching the Library of Alexandria? Or the culture which invented the concept of “Human Rights”, of female emancipation and participative democracy and organ transplants?

1. You are a racist c-nt
2. No, that just about sums up what I wanted to say.

And Emlyn earns herself a spot in moderation.

Which is frankly a relief.

One that invaded Palestine and terrorises its inhabitants in the name of an ancient religion?

You are talking about Christians and the Crusades yes?

Emlyn Ward said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Emlyn Ward said :

.
Yes – our culture is very industrious, innovative and disciplined.

Other cultures are less so.

Maybe you can explain why the world’s lingua franca is English?
And then for an encore, you might like to observe that 99% of human achievement across all fields of human endeavour occurred in European cultures.

Holy F-ck I can’t believe you.

And then for an encore, you might like to observe that 99% of human achievement across all fields of human endeavour occurred in European cultures.

I guess that depends on what you consider to be human achievement then doesn’t it.

The Chinese invented a few things of note: Paper, Printing, Gunpowder and the Compass.

Not to mention they were drinking alcoholic beverages in about 9000BC, about the same time they figured it out in the Middle East.

Emlyn
can i invite you to my next workplace diversity meeting? (they are currently way too booring)

Holden Caulfield said :

Emlyn Ward said :

…A number of Bikie gangs have been hijacked by people from far less disciplined cultures than our own…

Yeah “our” culture is just so disciplined. We were founded as a convict colony FFS, did you actually read what you wrote, haha.

I do beg your pardon?

I am not derived from any common convict stock, I hail from Sth Australia and come from pure bloodlines. No convicts in my side of the family, apart from a black sheep brother to my ancestor… but he lived in new south wales… sutton forest i believe.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Yes – our culture is very industrious, innovative and disciplined.

Wait, now I get it. You’re Chinese! Or Japanese. I can never tell the difference.

You’re such a dork.

Danman said :

The 1% is not in relation to the percentage of the public who are bikies, but comes from an old quote, in regards to a voilent incident at a motorcycle rally in Hollister California in 1947.

There was a riot that was sensationalised by the press at the time.

The American Motorcyclist association referred to th eincident saying that 99% of the attendees were well behaved, hence the 1%ers were born.

Interestingly there are also 99%ers, such as police, military and firefighters clubs.

Pretty much quoted wiki for the actual incidents but knew what the actual 1% stood for.

As opposed to the 69’ers who are lovers, not fighters.

AngryHenry said :

Emlyn…

Cultures may be different, but one is no better or worse than any other in my opinion.

And that opinion is gibberish.
Is one culture “no better or worse” than another which performs female genital mutilation? One that carries out suttee? A culture so backward it never made it out of the stone-age? One that invaded Palestine and terrorises its inhabitants in the name of an ancient religion? The culture which carried out the single most destructive attack on human intellectual achievement by torching the Library of Alexandria? Or the culture which invented the concept of “Human Rights”, of female emancipation and participative democracy and organ transplants?

Yes – our culture is very industrious, innovative and disciplined.

Wait, now I get it. You’re Chinese! Or Japanese. I can never tell the difference.

“The 1% is not in relation to the percentage of the public who are bikies, but comes from an old quote, in regards to a voilent incident at a motorcycle rally in Hollister California in 1947.”

I thought 1% stood for the amount of active brain cells in use by a club at any one point in time.

bah jakez, you beat me to it.

🙂

(That’s German for ‘white trash’, right?)

Maybe you can explain why the world’s lingua franca is English?

I like how you used an Italian phrase for French to demonstrate that we all speak English. Sieg heil!

The 1% is not in relation to the percentage of the public who are bikies, but comes from an old quote, in regards to a voilent incident at a motorcycle rally in Hollister California in 1947.

There was a riot that was sensationalised by the press at the time.

The American Motorcyclist association referred to th eincident saying that 99% of the attendees were well behaved, hence the 1%ers were born.

Interestingly there are also 99%ers, such as police, military and firefighters clubs.

Pretty much quoted wiki for the actual incidents but knew what the actual 1% stood for.

Emlyn…

The ‘ancient civilization’ you need to be made aware of is your ancient way of thinking about civilization.

Cultures may be different, but one is no better or worse than any other in my opinion.

Tool said :

I think the 1% is slightly exaggerated, lets say there are as many as 5000 OMCG members Australia wide, based against a population of 21,000,000 that is only 0.023%, now that would look good as a sweet tatt ,even has a bit of a Michael Jordan feel, maybe Nike could come on board?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_club#One_Percenters

Everyone knows a biker, like everyone knows a cop; it is public perception of them being nice, likeable blokes that lulls everyone into a false sense of security.

…wait, are you talking about the bikers or the cops?

caf said :

Perhaps you could describe which is the only one of the ancient civilizations that survived to the present day?

I can’t think of any ancient civilization which survives to this day.

Maybe you can help me.

Come to think of it, there mere fact that you’re holding up outlaw motorcycle clubs as your evidence of the innate supremity of Western culture is absurd enough in itself.

Right back at you:

Maybe you could remind us in which culture the light of Greco-Roman scientific inquiry and reason was kept alive while Europe suffered through the Dark Ages?

Perhaps you could describe which is the only one of the ancient civilizations that survived to the present day?

el said :

No sarcasm at all, Tool. Apart from that, the rest of your comment makes absolutely no sense.

Oh, sorry, I will try not to make inferences anymore that clearly confuse.

‘people from far less disciplined cultures than our own’.

*sigh* that comment reveals you for what you are

All cultures are not equal. Deal with it.

Holden Caulfield said :

Emlyn Ward said :

…A number of Bikie gangs have been hijacked by people from far less disciplined cultures than our own…

Yeah “our” culture is just so disciplined. We were founded as a convict colony FFS, did you actually read what you wrote, haha.

Yes – our culture is very industrious, innovative and disciplined.

Other cultures are less so.

Maybe you can explain why the world’s lingua franca is English?
And then for an encore, you might like to observe that 99% of human achievement across all fields of human endeavour occurred in European cultures.

Interesting that some people find the truth to be so threatening – there’s an expression for this: Political Correctness. And it’s pathetic.

No sarcasm at all, Tool. Apart from that, the rest of your comment makes absolutely no sense.

el said :

Everyone knows a biker, like everyone knows a cop; it is public perception of them being nice, likeable blokes that lulls everyone into a false sense of security.

Bingo! The ‘toy runs’ and other ‘nice’ activities are purely good publicity/marketing exercises.

Hmmm ur sarcasm indicates to me that you are a ‘believer’. Head in the sand I say….

http://jimunro.blogspot.com/2009/03/biker-violence-more-dangerous-gangs-in.html

A blog post I found that suggests that there are far worse gangs in Canberra that people should be concentrating on.

Everyone knows a biker, like everyone knows a cop; it is public perception of them being nice, likeable blokes that lulls everyone into a false sense of security.

Bingo! The ‘toy runs’ and other ‘nice’ activities are purely good publicity/marketing exercises.

Emlyn Ward said :

…A number of Bikie gangs have been hijacked by people from far less disciplined cultures than our own…

Yeah “our” culture is just so disciplined. We were founded as a convict colony FFS, did you actually read what you wrote, haha.

I think the 1% is slightly exaggerated, lets say there are as many as 5000 OMCG members Australia wide, based against a population of 21,000,000 that is only 0.023%, now that would look good as a sweet tatt ,even has a bit of a Michael Jordan feel, maybe Nike could come on board?

Emlyn Ward said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Ralph said :

Old school bikies, going with surnames such as Smith, Wilson etc, would hever have taken to bludgeoning somebody to death in an airport.

Nice use of the race card you ignorant tool. I would suggest you do a bit of research into ‘old school’ bikie culture.

‘people from far less disciplined cultures than our own’.

quote]

*sigh* that comment reveals you for what you are

Emlyn Ward I think you live in some kind of parrallel universe.

An astral plane where everything is black or white and if you read it in black and white it must be true.

Stats are just stats, they don’t tell us why they’re like that, they just are. A bit like you really.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Ralph said :

Old school bikies, going with surnames such as Smith, Wilson etc, would hever have taken to bludgeoning somebody to death in an airport.

Nice use of the race card you ignorant tool. I would suggest you do a bit of research into ‘old school’ bikie culture.

He’s perfectly correct.

A number of Bikie gangs have been hijacked by people from far less disciplined cultures than our own.

Witness the current almost daily spate of drive-by shootings and the ridiculous airport carnage.

The ABS used to publish stats on the country of origin of prison inmates – no prizes for guessing which ethnicity was wildly over-represented in these stats.

jakez said :

PreciousLilywhite said :

They run brothels and sell drugs FFS.

Hmm, another good point. You know I’m really starting to think these bikies are great blokes.

LMAO

monomania said :

Tool said :

i have never once had any negative dealings with any bikies from the various gangs, if anything i have always had positive feelings towards them and in turn show them due respect.
i think some of the other crime networks in australia pose more of a threat to the public than bikies.

I’m glad that peterh recognises that some of these motorcycle gangs are a criminal network. So you show them “due respect”. I do but not because I respect them simply because they demand “due respect”. Most motorcyclists clubs are not gangs.

love to claim that was me, but it wasn’t…

PreciousLilywhite said :

They run brothels and sell drugs FFS.

Hmm, another good point. You know I’m really starting to think these bikies are great blokes.

Ralph said :

Old school bikies, going with surnames such as Smith, Wilson etc, would hever have taken to bludgeoning somebody to death in an airport.

Nice use of the race card you ignorant tool. I would suggest you do a bit of research into ‘old school’ bikie culture.

I think bikies are misunderstood.

I regularly play Dungeons and Dragons in a group with two OMG members. They had to stop coming to our ‘stich and bitch’ knitting class though – Maggot and BitchPiss got RSI.

If a Bikie Club didn’t exist, no-one would miss them. Just because some clubs do a toy ride once a year, it doesn’t wash away the sins for the other 364 days. They run brothels and sell drugs FFS. My god, sooo much part of the problem and not the solution.
No-one cares about Bikies until they start cloggin up our media with all the bad and criminal stuff they’re doing to each other. Society generally tolerates their prehistoric and childish need to be ‘special’ and live as ‘outlaws’ but seriously, these blokes need to get their sh*t together and grow up.
Oh, and dont want to be tarred with the same brush? Don’t choose to join a 1% bikie gang!

AngryHenry – I have loved Zakk and BLS for ages too… I want to get one of these BLS hoodies, but have you seen the import prices.

GB said :

jakez said :

We have strict gun control laws in the ACT and if you expect me to believe that criminals are willing to break these gun control laws well then you are just crazy.

That’s kind of my point. Our gun control laws work, mostly. We do not have the crazy one citizen one gun culture here, nor a general belief that having and using weapons and other forms of violence will general make the place better, or is justified in retaliation. But we do have a few factions of society where they explicitly reject the rule of law (as distinct from rejecting it casually, accidentally, or for a specific purpose), and the societal norms that support it. That’s the key problem with gang culture, as distinct from other forms of organised crime.

BTW the gun incidents were NSW South Coast, mid 80s. These days, the guns only seem to come out in public when a job is on.

Yeah you should know that I don’t believe in our present levels of gun control and was only using your text for my own ends.

Personally I think Sweden (where the Government gives you your gun and mandates that you keep it…not that I support that kind of thing) and Canada (where there are more guns than citizens) have great cultures.

Ralph, buddy! Long time no see! What gem of wisdom do you have for us after your time in the desert?

Old school bikies, going with surnames such as Smith, Wilson etc, would hever have taken to bludgeoning somebody to death in an airport.

You’re absolutely right. Old school bikies had surnames like Ross and Campbell and they shot each other to death, plus an innocent bystander for good measure, in a suburban pub. They had principles, unlike those heathen camel-humping date bandits.

Good to have you back, mate!

Tool said :

i have never once had any negative dealings with any bikies from the various gangs, if anything i have always had positive feelings towards them and in turn show them due respect.
i think some of the other crime networks in australia pose more of a threat to the public than bikies.

I’m glad that peterh recognises that some of these motorcycle gangs are a criminal network. So you show them “due respect”. I do but not because I respect them simply because they demand “due respect”. Most motorcyclists clubs are not gangs.

jakez said :

We have strict gun control laws in the ACT and if you expect me to believe that criminals are willing to break these gun control laws well then you are just crazy.

That’s kind of my point. Our gun control laws work, mostly. We do not have the crazy one citizen one gun culture here, nor a general belief that having and using weapons and other forms of violence will general make the place better, or is justified in retaliation. But we do have a few factions of society where they explicitly reject the rule of law (as distinct from rejecting it casually, accidentally, or for a specific purpose), and the societal norms that support it. That’s the key problem with gang culture, as distinct from other forms of organised crime.

BTW the gun incidents were NSW South Coast, mid 80s. These days, the guns only seem to come out in public when a job is on.

Also a Harley Davidson owning friend told be that his Fatboy came sounding as quiet as a sewing machine. He said there were screws in the exhaust system that made it easy to remove the baffles (and make it louder).

ADR (Australian Design Rules) mean new vehicles have to abide by certain noise restrictions. A lot of people “upgrade” their exhaust because it gives genuine power increases (especially with a tune up), but mostly people like being loud.

I have to admit, if I was going to own a Harley (maybe when I am old and don’t want speed or handling any more?) I would want it to sound like a Harley should.

Our Bikies are so soft they don’t even ride bikes anymore.

I’m not sure bikies is the right word for these gangs anymore. For many years now the US gangs with similar codes and ideas have been riding in certain types of cars. Now apparently Australia has one of these gangs driving around in a particular brand of Black 4WD in sydney. Basically bikies but without the bikes.

Also a Harley Davidson owning friend told be that his Fatboy came sounding as quiet as a sewing machine. He said there were screws in the exhaust system that made it easy to remove the baffles (and make it louder).

p1 said :

I used to play lawn bowls at Canb. North in Turner and we had a couple of Rebels who also played competitively. They were top blokes and I never heard a bad word about them from anybody.

That’s got nothing to do with Bikie Gangs. Everyone knows that lawnbowlers are bad ass mother f#$kers. No one is going to say a bad word….

Don’t mess wiht me P1, I’ve got two 8′ pins. I really am a bad ass bowler:) Or i was beore I quite for the quite life about 4 years ago.

Danman said :

Top rocker, bottom rocker et al….Black Label Society has a lot to answer for.

I have one of those jackets, I wouldn’t wear it around too much now though because some people very obviously misunderstand what it means!

I don’t own a bike but I’ve been a fan of Zakk Wylde since I was a wee tacker. I think it’s a cool spin on the old band t-shirt…

Here’s what Zakk Wylde says about BLS.

“It’s not a motorcycle club, it’s a drinking club is what it is. You know, SDMF – Strength. Determination. Merciless. Forever. That’s what it stands for. The bottom line is without God and family, you’ve got nothing. You can have all the money and the fame, but they really don’t mean nothing if you’ve got no one to share it with.”

He doesn’t seem like too bad a role model to me.

AngryHenry said :

Um, criminals break the law all the time, that is their job.

…you know I don’t like our present levels of gun control right?

I used to play lawn bowls at Canb. North in Turner and we had a couple of Rebels who also played competitively. They were top blokes and I never heard a bad word about them from anybody.

That’s got nothing to do with Bikie Gangs. Everyone knows that lawnbowlers are bad ass mother f#$kers. No one is going to say a bad word….

I simply refuse to believe that GB. We have strict gun control laws in the ACT and if you expect me to believe that criminals are willing to break these gun control laws well then you are just crazy.

🙂

Although I had a friend who owned a M6 Scout because it folded small enough to fit in the panniers on his BMW…

Fair call Peter, but my point is just because you don’t hear it or see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. This is the aproach the general ACT community adopt, and more recently the ACT Government.

Everyone knows a biker, like everyone knows a cop; it is public perception of them being nice, likeable blokes that lulls everyone into a false sense of security.

Tool,

I grew up in the “rough” part of town. I had friends who aspired to be bikies. they now are. I don’t have involvement in club business, because I am not a member or a nom. I don’t judge everyone by who they appear to be. My mates and I don’t discuss the club or any aspect of it at any stage. I don’t need to know. I do discuss their new bikes, their family life, the kids, when we are next catching up for a bbq, etc, etc. The same as any other of my discussions with my mates.

I wasn’t educated, I didn’t go to uni, I am self taught in reading and writing english.
Typing OK, handwriting sucks.

point is, I could have been in the same gang as my mates. it wasn’t my path, and I am ok with that.

Um, criminals break the law all the time, that is their job.

GB said :

I have been harrassed by groups of members of MCGs. I have seen others being attacked by them. I have seen them carry guns.

I simply refuse to believe that GB. We have strict gun control laws in the ACT and if you expect me to believe that criminals are willing to break these gun control laws well then you are just crazy.

p1 said :

I was inked by a rebels member – maybe they are ALL good artists as well.

My wife also. Two bits of anecdotal evidence means it must be true yes?

I’m hoping to get inked again soon (25 years after the last time).

I used to play lawn bowls at Canb. North in Turner and we had a couple of Rebels who also played competitively. They were top blokes and I never heard a bad word about them from anybody.

I just believe that in the main Bikies are like the rest of us, just individuals who share a comon interest. Only a few are hard core criminals. Unfortunalty, it seems that these guys are the ones that have now risen to the top and want use the gangs as private army’s.

peterh said :

DJ said :

luke79 said :

how many people have actually had any problem with bikies? and im not talking about getting a bitt frightened by a loud exhaust or being scared by just seeing some around.
i have never once had any negative dealings with any bikies from the various gangs, if anything i have always had positive feelings towards them and in turn show them due respect.
i think some of the other crime networks in australia pose more of a threat to the public than bikies.

Luke79 are you a nom? How brown is your nose?

DJ,

I am not a nom, nor a brown nose. I have spent time with bikies, at several public events over the years. Rose tattoo, ACDC, Iron maiden, george thorogood, etc, etc. At all of these events, the stand out idiots were young males who had spent the night in the beer tent /line. they weren’t bikies, and I watched a fight being broken up by a monstrous bikie, between two youths. he was more concerned about these two yahoos than security was.

I have never been confronted by a bad bikie, at a bar, however I have been shoved out of the line by some of the old raiders, back when they were the premiers.

I have been helped by bikies, when broken down on the side of the road, and no other bugger would stop to help me.

I have also been assisted by bikies when rendering first aid on the side of the road at a car accident. They remained with me and the injured till the police and ambos arrived. They weren’t the cause of the accident, but they stopped to assist. I am grateful for the help they provided.

there are bad people in every social group. Bikies are just accused of being bad, by association – even when they are some of the nicest people you will ever meet.

Well they have u hook, line and sinker. Clearly you have had no involvement relating to club business, because if you had you wouldn’t be talking about it…

It’s interesting that although the bikies look big and scary, and walk around looking tough, I have never had problem with them.

When working at a servo years ago I saw a Rebel member get T-boned in the middle of an intersection. After calling 000, I went out and some people had already stopped to help. I stored the guy’s bike in the servo workshop for a day until his mates came to collect it. When they turned up, they were just friendly, knockabout blokes who seemed to enjoy a laugh, and thanked me for helping out.

It’s a bit of a shame that the OMCGs have been associated so much with crime. The older guys I know who are involved talk about when they were younger, and they used to ride and party, and generally enjoy the camaraderie that comes from being part of the group.

p1 said :

Two bits of anecdotal evidence means it must be true yes?

Hey, this is riotact — one is plenty.

OT: “… the bikes are as meaningless in this context as saying a brothel owner is in the “short term accommodation rental market”.

Exactly. Its the gang, its the drugs, its the culture of violence. Its not the bikes or the bikers.

But if you choose to join, or stay in, a gang whose income comes from dealing drugs — and uses thuggery and murder to achieve that — then, yes, you should expect a bit of tarring.

I have been harrassed by groups of members of MCGs. I have seen others being attacked by them. I have seen them carry guns. I have seen them bully, intimidate and threaten bar and restaurant owners; and lone motorcyclists. I do not regard these anecdotes as proof of anything; but I do regard the serious analysis which has been done as showing that there is a more than casual relationship between membership of certain OMCGs and serious criminal activity.

Whether the alleged reason for the gang is bikes, mahjong, or prayer, if the gang is collectively bad, it will be judged as such and its members will be judged for being in it. Its not like an ethnic group you can’t leave. If it goes bad, get out.

[Standard disclaimer: I am neither a cop, nor a member of an MCG (outlaw or not). I am not a user or dealer of illegal drugs, but have had friends who are.]

Good old controversy, nearly as good as journalism.

Danman said :

And I will stand by the fact that OMCG’s are predominantly Middle Eastern now, with the old schoolers all getting into their 40’s to 60’s.

Hope my response is adequate for your needs, I based it on fact , not racial discrimination.

I took more offence at Ralph’s comment then your explanations of what he meant. Ralph sounded like a big fat racist.

I was inked by a rebels member – maybe they are ALL good artists as well.

My wife also. Two bits of anecdotal evidence means it must be true yes?

my nose isnt brown.. im just saying from my experiences ive never had any problems with bikies and as such treat them with the respect id treat any other group of people.

DJ said :

luke79 said :

how many people have actually had any problem with bikies? and im not talking about getting a bitt frightened by a loud exhaust or being scared by just seeing some around.
i have never once had any negative dealings with any bikies from the various gangs, if anything i have always had positive feelings towards them and in turn show them due respect.
i think some of the other crime networks in australia pose more of a threat to the public than bikies.

Luke79 are you a nom? How brown is your nose?

DJ,

I am not a nom, nor a brown nose. I have spent time with bikies, at several public events over the years. Rose tattoo, ACDC, Iron maiden, george thorogood, etc, etc. At all of these events, the stand out idiots were young males who had spent the night in the beer tent /line. they weren’t bikies, and I watched a fight being broken up by a monstrous bikie, between two youths. he was more concerned about these two yahoos than security was.

I have never been confronted by a bad bikie, at a bar, however I have been shoved out of the line by some of the old raiders, back when they were the premiers.

I have been helped by bikies, when broken down on the side of the road, and no other bugger would stop to help me.

I have also been assisted by bikies when rendering first aid on the side of the road at a car accident. They remained with me and the injured till the police and ambos arrived. They weren’t the cause of the accident, but they stopped to assist. I am grateful for the help they provided.

there are bad people in every social group. Bikies are just accused of being bad, by association – even when they are some of the nicest people you will ever meet.

I was inked by a rebels member – maybe they are ALL good artists as well.

Jessieduck – what I am saying is criminals across the board, used to have a loose moral code where they would action out their violence in a targetted direct manner.

With the exception of some major public conflicts, it has usually been actioned out in a more targetted fashion.

With the new school flavour of the month type of biker, they no longer care about people getting caught up in the crossfire.

The weekend was a prime example. In the old days, the victims would have been tailed until they were out of the public eye and then violence actioned.

Maybe it did not make as much news, primarily because there was less of it, combined with the old bikie rule of a wall of silence.

Now with the coercive powers of investigating agencies, combined with jail terms for not speaking, and the more public drive by shootings, and gang related violence has opened it up to the public eye.

And I will stand by the fact that OMCG’s are predominantly Middle Eastern now, with the old schoolers all getting into their 40’s to 60’s.

Hope my response is adequate for your needs, I based it on fact , not racial discrimination.

I’ve been harassed by a particular gang on numerous occasions actually since I’ve had my license.

I’ve been pulled over 3 or 4 times without having done anything and been made to perform lewd acts on a plastic tube they carry around. One time while on my own motorcycle I was pulled over without having done anything and ‘asked’ to show them the contents of my backpack, because they were ‘looking for someone’. Just this weekend, two members of the gang blocked off the road and made me wait while they looked up and down at my car.

I’m too scared to name the particular gang for fear of reprisal but I can tell you that their uniform is predominately blue.

😉

I’ve never had a problem with the OMCG’s though.

luke79 said :

how many people have actually had any problem with bikies? and im not talking about getting a bitt frightened by a loud exhaust or being scared by just seeing some around.
i have never once had any negative dealings with any bikies from the various gangs, if anything i have always had positive feelings towards them and in turn show them due respect.
i think some of the other crime networks in australia pose more of a threat to the public than bikies.

Luke79 are you a nom? How brown is your nose?

Danman said :

Err its factual Jessieduck – OMCG’s are now predominantly comprising of Middle Eastern Organisd Crime groups – and their code has changed over the years to not caring about public safety.

Of course there was still things like milperra for the old schoolers, but no where near as predominant as current trends.

But to say that in the “good old day” when there were more Smiths and Wilsons in the gangs the violence was “better”? More “gentlemanly”??? Bullshiz- maybe it just didn’t make the news as much.

Top rocker, bottom rocker et al….Black Label Society has a lot to answer for.

I believe that a lot of the OMCG are changing in demographic, due, as people say to an influx of people who’s first interest in organised crime, and the gang is a means to an end. Thirty years ago the attraction was the lifestyle, and the crime was a means to an end.

At what point will people realise that the bikes are as meaningless in this context as saying a brothel owner is in the “short term accommodation rental market”.

I hope the current hysteria means that they will receive the attention from law enforcement that they merit,

Jeez, you think they don’t receive a shiteload of attention already?

Err its factual Jessieduck – OMCG’s are now predominantly comprising of Middle Eastern Organisd Crime groups – and their code has changed over the years to not caring about public safety.

Of course there was still things like milperra for the old schoolers, but no where near as predominant as current trends.

The only thing that I find offensive (not considering any organised criminal activity), is that the “Outlaw” bikie gangs have adopted for their “uniform” an arrangement of patches etc on the back of their jackets. Which is fine, everyone from Girl Guides to Airline pilots likes to wear uniforms. What $hits me is that they enforce the “right” to wear such a uniform more strictly then the police. These are not the cops or the military, they should have no hold over the general public.

Most people are nice, some people are ***ts. Anyone who breaks a law in out society should expect to face some sort of consequences.

Ralph said :

Old school bikies, going with surnames such as Smith, Wilson etc, would hever have taken to bludgeoning somebody to death in an airport.

Did you intend for that to be as racist as it is? So gross.

generally they are nice people.

Harleys are bikes for people who don’t like motorbikes.

Cumbersome, slow, out of date, out of time, useless, a relic of the past which should be put out to grass. (That applies to bikies and Harleys.)

how many people have actually had any problem with bikies? and im not talking about getting a bitt frightened by a loud exhaust or being scared by just seeing some around.
i have never once had any negative dealings with any bikies from the various gangs, if anything i have always had positive feelings towards them and in turn show them due respect.
i think some of the other crime networks in australia pose more of a threat to the public than bikies.

jessieduck said :

Balls the size of coconuts.

That’s why we call him BigNuts.

Maybe JB should call for calm in the bikie world. He has more respect than that Comanchero head… (According to the Daily Telegraph)

😀

Old school bikies, going with surnames such as Smith, Wilson etc, would hever have taken to bludgeoning somebody to death in an airport.

I wouldnt doubt that a source of income for the gangs as an association is from drugs. However, if that means you want to split the gangs, then so be it. The main income for the actual guys who ride the bikes, is labouring or generally some other trade. I dont think you’ll find all that many club members who are living off drug profits, a couple maybe, but not indicicative of the entire group. If you want to break up the associations, thats one thing, but as soon as you start targetting the individuals because of group activity, thats unjust.

If it was found someone at your workplace was selling drugs, should the police be entitled to investigate everyone at your firm, and say ‘staff at company xyz was selling drugs’, or should they investigate the people actually involved, and say ’employee xyz was selling drugs’ and leave the rest of your staff alone?

grundy said :

“In tomorrows news, local ‘Blog’ writer, John Boy, found shot dead outside All Bar Nun…

…13 bikie gang members died in the process.”

Balls the size of coconuts.

lose = loose

At least we don’t have Lebanese Muslim bikies.

Ummm ok, you must be really in the know then.
The majority of the “new school” bikers have surnames of middle eastern origin.
Gone is the code of the old schoolers who use to try and minimise public danger in their dealings – the new schoolers have no morals – not that the old ones were much better – but at least they had a lose criminal code.

A lot of the OMCG’s these days havelinks to middle eastern crime and can be seen sporting faux hawks and designer jeans and shirts. No more are the old school ZZ Top style of bikers.

“In tomorrows news, local ‘Blog’ writer, John Boy, found shot dead outside All Bar Nun…

…13 bikie gang members died in the process.”

old canberran said :

Don’t forget, the main source of income for most bikie gangs is from the manufacture and sale of amphetamines.

Perhaps most, but not necessarily all.

People here are mistaking bikies and bikers.

Nope – I’m talking about bikies ie. ‘a motorcyclist, with connotations of gang affiliation’

Don’t forget, the main source of income for most bikie gangs is from the manufacture and sale of amphetamines.

While we’re throwing a blanket over some generalised groups, lets outlaw kids, lawyers, politicians, and journalists. Ive been affected by members of those 4 categories *WAY* more than my life has been affected by bikies. The difference is that in general, bikies have other activities away from their bikie mates. I know several ‘bikies’ who are just family guys with a hobby. I dont know any lawyers or politicians who dont devote 100% of their time/energy to serve their interest.

Hilarious (and brave!) post JB. I agree with PeterH, of course not all bikies are bad; many of the groups actively raise money for charity each year or contribute to other worthy causes(eg. the annual police versus bikies Redcross blood drive). Bikies are often the first to stop and help people in trouble on the side of the road too.

Harleys don’t come loud… they are made loud. If every loud bike was defected, and re-defected, and the third strike it was impounded, that would see an end to this stupid situation that the bike-people play.

I find the noise of a bike with the loud pipes on to be physically painful, although I agree a 2-stroke dirt bike is also crazy-loud.

But this loud bike thing is just an annoying example of the whole attitude, the crap they get away with. This, plus any criminal activities, needs to be kicked to the kerb.

😀

what a cack of a topic, jb. i actually LOLLED. IDK if you were intentionly being humerous or not but its awsome.

i voted for them to get prosecuted as and when thety commit crimes aswell.

Bikies are the same as any other social group. there are bad ones, really, really scary bad guys, and there are good ones.

Some gang members hold down real jobs, others don’t. There are several guys i know who are members of various gangs throughout australia, and I have relatives who are in gangs, but they are just a group of guys who love to ride their hogs. They don’t fit the persona of the bikies that you see on TV, or in movies. They ride hogs, they are covered in tatts, and they do charity work.

Why tar all bikies with the same brush? because anyone who is covered with tatts, rides a harley and has some sort of facial hair must be evil… Didn’t your mother tell you?

C’mon people, bikies are people too. They are people that have a reputation that is based on fear and tall tales. In my experience, most win their fights from behind and unless they are in a group they regularly show about as much spine as jellyfish.

All that hair and those tattoos… well, nowdays everybody has tattoos and bad hair can be seen on any emo kid. A loud bike, or several of them? Anybody with a few $$ can make even a postie bike loud but as for Harleys… I’d rather a reliable Honda or Ducatti thanks.

All that being said, some are regular family people who made a choice earlier in their lives and stuck to it regarless of changes in circumstances. Some are even decent people but those are the ones you would never know were bikies.

We as a society would be much better off without them…. the hook is baited and ready.

At least we don’t have Lebanese Muslim bikies.

You think Harley’s are loud?

They’ve got nothing on the high pitched squealing of a dirt bike.

I find Harley’s to be quite an appealing and mellow sound actually.

I answered that they should be prosecuted if and when they commit a violent crime, as should apply to all people.

Bikies irritate me. They swagger about and it appears the law doesn’t apply to them… every ear-splitting motorbike is testament to that. Loud bikes are OK so long as the person on them might be a member of a bikie gang… so what else are they getting away with?

I hope the current hysteria means that they will receive the attention from law enforcement that they merit, and their various law-breaking activities, be it criminal or just anti-social, are acted upon.