Illegal Labor adverts ...the hidden Labor flyer

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Gungahlin Al said :

I’ve got one too. It does have an authorisation statement but crikey it’s well hidden. It’s sideways at the top left in the black on one side. Maybe 4pt text?

Wouldn’t mind betting it pushes the limit on minimum print size, but haven’t got time to look up the regs on that right now…

I’ve looked through legislation and the candidate handbook – there is nothing specifying minimum requirements as to legibility of an authorising statement.
http://elections.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/7931/Candidates_information_2012.pdf

You might be able to contest such an implementation on the grounds of reasonableness. But I think chalk this one up as:
1/ another example of inadequately drafted legislation
2/ the ALP being willing to push the requirements to the limit, and thereby giving the impression that they are trying to hide themselves as the source of the material.

For mine, it’s clear that the Liberals’ whole campaign is premised on a dishonest portrait of what was actually implemented. The Labor machine should have been entirely comfortable with standing behind their decision to implement it, and calmly explained the reality to voters instead of jumping into panic/negative campaign mode.

As I explained to Matt Watts this morning, the Liberals’ use of the Quinlan Report table (which was not adopted) in their brochures is equivalent to putting out a leaflet with a map from a report of possible road route options and screaming “Look they are going to build a road through your suburb!!!!” when the government had actually resolved to build said road on one of the other proposed routes. (The example I gave was saying the GDE was going west of the stadium, but that isn’t really relevant.)

It perhaps would also be like me leafleting everywhere saying “Look Tio Faulkner from Zed’s office did campaigning for the Liberals while on taxpayer wages!” even though Zed has subsequently satisfied the Clerk of the Assembly he didn’t, even though his attention to paperwork was woefully inadequate.

In fact, a person could easily put together a leaflet of newspaper headlines from the last four years purporting to demonstrate seriously inadequate management in the Liberal leader’s office, and it still wouldn’t measure up (down?) to the dishonesty of the Liberal rates campaign.

But there are a few days left, and the Liberals’ house of cards campaign is already falling down, with several economics academics with no pecuniary interest coming out to call “Shenanigans!” on the Liberals. [South Park reference]

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Alderney said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

I for one can’t wait for the concerned citizens who appear to be posing as ‘party hacks’ do likewise.

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

As well as his own anti liberal threads – like the “making friends and influencing people” one started a few days ago.

And my anti labor threads like the one on Karl maftoum. You seem to work yourself into a lather every time you read one of my posts and have to jump in, boots and all, to have a shot at me. Get help.

Wow. Touchy! If you don’t like being outed as a hypocrite, don’t act like one.

Also, don’t go crying when people “have a shot” at you, when that’s what you do to others in the vast majority of your posts.

Could Canberra Mum also ‘really like Katy Gallagher, but just can’t afford the rate increase’.

Masterful choice in usernames by some of these astroturfers.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

The Liberals “Triple your rates” and the Labor “real Zed” attacks are a definite low point in this campaign.

That, and the Pirate Party showing they can’t read, are happy to accuse others of law-breaking without any evidence, and are also happy to cast some tool doing 90 over the limit as the victim in order to grab some votes from the Summernats set.

At least he has put his name to his post and corrected his misunderstanding .. unlike all the Green/Lib/ALP hacks who come out of the wood-works every 4 years. Yawn.

The Liberals “Triple your rates” and the Labor “real Zed” attacks are a definite low point in this campaign.

That, and the Pirate Party showing they can’t read, are happy to accuse others of law-breaking without any evidence, and are also happy to cast some tool doing 90 over the limit as the victim in order to grab some votes from the Summernats set.

I thought the advert was missing the authorised by statement too, and tweeted Elias Hallaj about it on Thursday – https://twitter.com/pirate_taco/status/256135480251404288

Turned out I was wrong, as was the OP in this thread, and it did have the statement, but I don’t think it would be possible to make the statement any less visible, with the tiny text in an odd position with dark grey on black.
Of course it should seem obvious that Labor were behind the flyer from its content, but why the attempt at hiding the statement?

The Liberals “Triple your rates” and the Labor “real Zed” attacks are a definite low point in this campaign. I hope the partisan mud slinging doesn’t get worse over the next week.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

FD10 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

Unfortunately you will probably stick around.

Well, I really don’t mind CSRI’s input.

He seems generally sane and reasonable and thoughtful to me too.

Duffbowl said :

kakosi said :

So freakin’ bored by this bullshit pretend “outrage” at a flyer that, let’s face it, you can just put into the recycle bin.

Pretty much where every single political flyer I’ve received has gone.

One candidate may have had an issue with my daughter’s attitude towards politicians when he door knocked last week. Apparently, when asked about whether she would pass on some advertising material, “whatevs” wasn’t a good answer. Similarly, “nice umbrella” got a weird look from the bloke carrying the umbrella with pink dots.

I haven’t heard any political doorknockers at my front door for weeks – not since I installed an electrical cut-off switch on the front door bell to save electricity, on the good advice of Katy Gallagher.

Mine went straight in the recycling.

Duffbowl said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Duffbowl said :

kakosi said :

So freakin’ bored by this bullshit pretend “outrage” at a flyer that, let’s face it, you can just put into the recycle bin.

Pretty much where every single political flyer I’ve received has gone.

One candidate may have had an issue with my daughter’s attitude towards politicians when he door knocked last week. Apparently, when asked about whether she would pass on some advertising material, “whatevs” wasn’t a good answer. Similarly, “nice umbrella” got a weird look from the bloke carrying the umbrella with pink dots.

Lol what did the knockers say to whatevs?

Something along the lines of “well, I’d appreciate it if you passed that information on to your parents”. That was when the umbrella remark came out 🙂

Your kid sounds like a god damn champ.
My girls are only 4 and 2, and already too smartarse for their own good. I hope one day I get to tell a similar story!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Duffbowl said :

kakosi said :

So freakin’ bored by this bullshit pretend “outrage” at a flyer that, let’s face it, you can just put into the recycle bin.

Pretty much where every single political flyer I’ve received has gone.

One candidate may have had an issue with my daughter’s attitude towards politicians when he door knocked last week. Apparently, when asked about whether she would pass on some advertising material, “whatevs” wasn’t a good answer. Similarly, “nice umbrella” got a weird look from the bloke carrying the umbrella with pink dots.

Lol what did the knockers say to whatevs?

Something along the lines of “well, I’d appreciate it if you passed that information on to your parents”. That was when the umbrella remark came out 🙂

stillflying said :

Mr Evil said :

“………..why are they assuming we are stupid?”

Because ACT Labor keep getting voted in to lead the ACT at every election (no matter how badly they’ve performed, or how dodgy they’ve been in the previous three/four years!), is it really any wonder that they’d treat ACT voters as if they stupid?

One could argue it’s because ACT voters would have to be even more stupid to vote in liberals…

That just about nails it.

Oh for a viable opposition. Perhaps the Pirate Party (in the absence of any Sex Party candidates).

Duffbowl said :

kakosi said :

So freakin’ bored by this bullshit pretend “outrage” at a flyer that, let’s face it, you can just put into the recycle bin.

Pretty much where every single political flyer I’ve received has gone.

One candidate may have had an issue with my daughter’s attitude towards politicians when he door knocked last week. Apparently, when asked about whether she would pass on some advertising material, “whatevs” wasn’t a good answer. Similarly, “nice umbrella” got a weird look from the bloke carrying the umbrella with pink dots.

I love your daughter’s umbrella comment – priceless!

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

They are all very obvious as well.

Duffbowl said :

kakosi said :

So freakin’ bored by this bullshit pretend “outrage” at a flyer that, let’s face it, you can just put into the recycle bin.

Pretty much where every single political flyer I’ve received has gone.

One candidate may have had an issue with my daughter’s attitude towards politicians when he door knocked last week. Apparently, when asked about whether she would pass on some advertising material, “whatevs” wasn’t a good answer. Similarly, “nice umbrella” got a weird look from the bloke carrying the umbrella with pink dots.

Lol what did the knockers say to whatevs?

pepmeup said :

The different coloured signs thing is a big mistake for the labor candidates trying to hide the fact that they are labor candidates, it has happened at all other recent state and territory elections. The problem is here in the ACT we use the haire Clarke system so candidates are listed on ballot paper under party, unlike in other states where each party only runs one candidate per electorate (other than tas).

In other states it would have

Andrew Barr (alp)

Where in the act it has

Alp Canberra
Andrew Barr
Others
Ect

This is a mistake and it has been made because labor are using someone from NSW to run the campaign who doesn’t understand all the finer nuances of the haire Clarke.

We assumed it was deliberate – trying to limit the competition’s ability to stand out. Don’t think it has worked.

kakosi said :

So freakin’ bored by this bullshit pretend “outrage” at a flyer that, let’s face it, you can just put into the recycle bin.

Pretty much where every single political flyer I’ve received has gone.

One candidate may have had an issue with my daughter’s attitude towards politicians when he door knocked last week. Apparently, when asked about whether she would pass on some advertising material, “whatevs” wasn’t a good answer. Similarly, “nice umbrella” got a weird look from the bloke carrying the umbrella with pink dots.

The different coloured signs thing is a big mistake for the labor candidates trying to hide the fact that they are labor candidates, it has happened at all other recent state and territory elections. The problem is here in the ACT we use the haire Clarke system so candidates are listed on ballot paper under party, unlike in other states where each party only runs one candidate per electorate (other than tas).

In other states it would have

Andrew Barr (alp)

Where in the act it has

Alp Canberra
Andrew Barr
Others
Ect

This is a mistake and it has been made because labor are using someone from NSW to run the campaign who doesn’t understand all the finer nuances of the haire Clarke.

So freakin’ bored by this bullshit pretend “outrage” at a flyer that, let’s face it, you can just put into the recycle bin.

GET A LIFE!

FD10 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

Unfortunately you will probably stick around.

Lol, I am being monstered by newbie young libs *somebody save me*

Mysteryman said :

Alderney said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

I for one can’t wait for the concerned citizens who appear to be posing as ‘party hacks’ do likewise.

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

As well as his own anti liberal threads – like the “making friends and influencing people” one started a few days ago.

And my anti labor threads like the one on Karl maftoum. You seem to work yourself into a lather every time you read one of my posts and have to jump in, boots and all, to have a shot at me. Get help.

Yeah I got something like this in the mail today. Only it had in big black and red font; ALP + GREENs = TRIPLE YOUR RATES ..

No mention of the Libs or Zed or who to vote for.

Build a bridge dude .. or find something worthwhile to moan about.

purporting to be apolitical

No, it doesn’t. Would you like to plead guilty to stupidity, hysteria or dishonesty?

but no reference to the fact that it comes from The Labor Party, and the website belongs to ACT Labor and Elias Hajid

Apart from the text that says ‘Authorised by E Hallaj for the ACT Labor Party’, you mean?

How stupid do you people think we are?

You in particular, or Liberal party voters generally?

Rollersk8r said :

What about all the new Labor recruits with ORANGE signs around the place?? Seems to be a deliberate tactic to make them look like independents, which is at least what I thought until I started looking a few of them up – Meeeeegan Fitzharris, for example.

Ha ha not to mention that Andrew Barr has chosen a GREEN background in strategic locations in the Green-friendly parts of the inner north ……

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

Unfortunately you will probably stick around.

Anyway said :

I got the same one and it is so incredibly negative and being a federal public servant I can see that these is focused on federal politics more than local, do they really think people are that dumb? Im pretty sure its not Zed who is cutting jobs from the federal public service, think that is actually the Federal Labor Party but they seem to be scared and trying to trick us with stuff like this…… only one thing annoys me more than so much money wasted on political advertising, and that is when they use the political advertising to try and trick people….. why are they assuming we are stupid?

You do realise that we an ACT Public Service that is the resposibility of the ACT government. Therefore I would say that they are referring to Zed cutting ACT public service jobs if elected.

Alderney said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

I for one can’t wait for the concerned citizens who appear to be posing as ‘party hacks’ do likewise.

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

As well as his own anti liberal threads – like the “making friends and influencing people” one started a few days ago.

Alderney said :

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

I haven’t been keeping count but I think there may have been more than that – a couple today and one the other day when a hack joined RA to post incorrect information and abuse me after one of my posts.

I also called out a newbie for being an advocate for the AMP. If I see labor/green hacks doing the same thing, I’ll call them on that too.

That it has been mainly Liberal supporters doing it is hardly my fault, if I see it I will call it.

I have also criticsed Labor hacks for making stupid, infantile comments about Liberal candidates – there was one around two weeks ago in a thread about Alistair Coe, the man I would most like to see lose his seat, but called them on it nonetheless.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

I for one can’t wait for the concerned citizens who appear to be posing as ‘party hacks’ do likewise.

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

stop being ridiculous, I received one too, it was obvious who it was from, had authorisation as required, get back to your Liberal campaign and stop posing as a concerned citizen

http://the-riotact.com/joy-burka-poster-vandalism-takes-off/84582

This is who did it.

Rollersk8r said :

What about all the new Labor recruits with ORANGE signs around the place?? Seems to be a deliberate tactic to make them look like independents, which is at least what I thought until I started looking a few of them up – Meeeeegan Fitzharris, for example.

I assumed that was trying to piggy back off the anti work choices campaign. At least, I think that was the orange one?

Is orange the internationally accepted colour for independent candidates or something? How does that work in the Basque regions?

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

If you think its noncompliant, give it a check against either of these two references, which are provided courtesy of your friends at Elections ACT.
Authorised Election Material Fact Sheet
Candidate’s Handbook (which hasn’t been updated in a while, but look under Campaigning Offences)

stop being ridiculous, I received one too, it was obvious who it was from, had authorisation as required, get back to your Liberal campaign and stop posing as a concerned citizen

If it’s the one I got in the mail a few days ago, you’ll find the authorisation in very very teensy tiny white writing running up the ‘left’ hand edge of one side.

Whilst I haven’t seen the flyer, (I tend to chuck such things in the bin as soon as I get them) not every piece of advertising material is actually official and actually comes from the party it suppose to represent. Sometimes it comes from a party loyalist who wants to help a party along. Sometimes the really bad ones are actually made by supporters of the party which is being “trashed” to make it look like an opposing party has release “a very low blow”.

There was a case up in Sydney a few years ago when this happened. I do believe there it was a couple of “helpful spouses” who decided to release pamphlets.

What about all the new Labor recruits with ORANGE signs around the place?? Seems to be a deliberate tactic to make them look like independents, which is at least what I thought until I started looking a few of them up – Meeeeegan Fitzharris, for example.

you get what you vote for

I’ve got one too. It does have an authorisation statement but crikey it’s well hidden. It’s sideways at the top left in the black on one side. Maybe 4pt text?

Wouldn’t mind betting it pushes the limit on minimum print size, but haven’t got time to look up the regs on that right now…

Mr Evil said :

“………..why are they assuming we are stupid?”

Because ACT Labor keep getting voted in to lead the ACT at every election (no matter how badly they’ve performed, or how dodgy they’ve been in the previous three/four years!), is it really any wonder that they’d treat ACT voters as if they stupid?

One could argue it’s because ACT voters would have to be even more stupid to vote in liberals…

Before everyone goes nuts, best that we see a copy of this supposed leaflet. At the moment we only have the OP’s word on this and like 99% of people, they probably just missed the fine print.

Mr Evil said :

“………..why are they assuming we are stupid?”

Because ACT Labor keep getting voted in to lead the ACT at every election (no matter how badly they’ve performed, or how dodgy they’ve been in the previous three/four years!), is it really any wonder that they’d treat ACT voters as if they stupid?

Ahem…………’as if they ARE stupid?’

Its a good scare campaign, I think labor are a little scared and hoping to do something to counter the rates campaign. I would have thought a good postcard describing exactly how they are going to get $520 million from rates without tripling rates would work better

“………..why are they assuming we are stupid?”

Because ACT Labor keep getting voted in to lead the ACT at every election (no matter how badly they’ve performed, or how dodgy they’ve been in the previous three/four years!), is it really any wonder that they’d treat ACT voters as if they stupid?

Anyway said :

how are they getting away with not authorizing it?

Labor’s got 11 years of experience in disobeying the law.

how are they getting away with not authorizing it? I got the same one and it is so incredibly negative and being a federal public servant I can see that these is focused on federal politics more than local, do they really think people are that dumb? Im pretty sure its not Zed who is cutting jobs from the federal public service, think that is actually the Federal Labor Party but they seem to be scared and trying to trick us with stuff like this…… only one thing annoys me more than so much money wasted on political advertising, and that is when they use the political advertising to try and trick people….. why are they assuming we are stupid?