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Illegal Labor adverts …the hidden Labor flyer

By CanberraMum 12 October 2012 61

Just found a postcard in my letterbox from the www.realzed.com – Anti Zed Seselja….purporting to be apolitical, but no reference to the fact that it comes from The Labor Party, and the website belongs to ACT Labor and Elias Hajid….How stupid do you people think we are?

Canberra is too smart for stupid political stunts like this – stop it and tell us the truth about what your party is going to actually do if you win the election!

[Ed. check the very fine print on it. All political advertising has to disclose who its authorised by]

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betterdeadthanzed 9:52 pm 16 Oct 12

CanberraMum said :

Sorry All, have now seen the very small fine-print…Thanks for pointing it out (Seriously- thanks!, I would have thought it should be obvious -i.e a rule about it) – p.s have been along term riot-acter, am not a party hack, and just bothered to get my password reconnected in order to blog my general electoral disgust….I will now ensure I blog solidly for the next four years on all miscellaneous topics…

Triple your posts over the next decade please.

CanberraMum 9:39 pm 16 Oct 12

Sorry All, have now seen the very small fine-print…Thanks for pointing it out (Seriously- thanks!, I would have thought it should be obvious -i.e a rule about it) – p.s have been along term riot-acter, am not a party hack, and just bothered to get my password reconnected in order to blog my general electoral disgust….I will now ensure I blog solidly for the next four years on all miscellaneous topics…

bundah 4:13 pm 15 Oct 12

LSWCHP said :

Thumper said :

FD10 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

Unfortunately you will probably stick around.

Well, I really don’t mind CSRI’s input.

He seems generally sane and reasonable and thoughtful to me too.

Oops it seems i have stumbled into CSRI’s mutual admiration society.Ah well could be worse,it could’ve been Mr G’s 🙂

Matt_Watts 3:33 pm 15 Oct 12

Gungahlin Al said :

Gungahlin Al said :

I’ve got one too. It does have an authorisation statement but crikey it’s well hidden. It’s sideways at the top left in the black on one side. Maybe 4pt text?

Wouldn’t mind betting it pushes the limit on minimum print size, but haven’t got time to look up the regs on that right now…

I’ve looked through legislation and the candidate handbook – there is nothing specifying minimum requirements as to legibility of an authorising statement.
http://elections.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/7931/Candidates_information_2012.pdf

You might be able to contest such an implementation on the grounds of reasonableness. But I think chalk this one up as:
1/ another example of inadequately drafted legislation
2/ the ALP being willing to push the requirements to the limit, and thereby giving the impression that they are trying to hide themselves as the source of the material.

For mine, it’s clear that the Liberals’ whole campaign is premised on a dishonest portrait of what was actually implemented. The Labor machine should have been entirely comfortable with standing behind their decision to implement it, and calmly explained the reality to voters instead of jumping into panic/negative campaign mode.

As I explained to Matt Watts this morning, the Liberals’ use of the Quinlan Report table (which was not adopted) in their brochures is equivalent to putting out a leaflet with a map from a report of possible road route options and screaming “Look they are going to build a road through your suburb!!!!” when the government had actually resolved to build said road on one of the other proposed routes. (The example I gave was saying the GDE was going west of the stadium, but that isn’t really relevant.)

It perhaps would also be like me leafleting everywhere saying “Look Tio Faulkner from Zed’s office did campaigning for the Liberals while on taxpayer wages!” even though Zed has subsequently satisfied the Clerk of the Assembly he didn’t, even though his attention to paperwork was woefully inadequate.

In fact, a person could easily put together a leaflet of newspaper headlines from the last four years purporting to demonstrate seriously inadequate management in the Liberal leader’s office, and it still wouldn’t measure up (down?) to the dishonesty of the Liberal rates campaign.

But there are a few days left, and the Liberals’ house of cards campaign is already falling down, with several economics academics with no pecuniary interest coming out to call “Shenanigans!” on the Liberals. [South Park reference]

Thanks Al, but I can hardly let that go without a comment 🙂

Nobody from the Greens or the ALP can explain how, based in today’s dollar terms, one can remove almost $350 million of taxes and replace that income from the rates system without the average increase being the equivalent of a tripling of rates.

Of course, it is entirely possible there are some secret ALP/Green spending cuts on their way; that’s the only way you could afford to replace the stamp duty without rates tripling on average. I’m not suggesting that is the case, of course, but I’m merely pointing out the economic realities of the situation: the money needs to come from somewhere.

I should also point out that Ben Phillips and Alan Duncan in this morning’s Crimes contend that rates would need to “increase heavily”, yet nobody from the ALP or the Greens can inform us of what that figure would be in today’s dollar terms. The ALP and Greens say the Libs are wrong about the rates tripling, yet won’t say how much they will increase in today’s dollar terms.

Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, why shouldn’t there be some transparency here?

And it’s an interesting situation I have to contend with. I have some from the Left claiming our adverts are lies, and others from the Left accepting rates will triple but that’s a good thing in the long term so we should get behind it.

Finally, Al stated this morning and again in his post that the option quoted by the Libs was one of several. Yes, that’s right; the proposal to increase rates in order to remove stamp duty was adopted by the ALP government and supported by the Greens. The only difference is that since the Libs have been educating the public about the government’s plans, the figure of twenty years has come out rather than the review’s ten years. It is false of Al to claim we cherry-picked one of many options presented to government that wasn’t adopted, because we were referred to that by Minister Barr during Estimates!

I’m more than happy to have a discussion about this topic. Let’s get the info out there, so Canberrans can make up their minds. I don’t see why the Left should be fearful of being honest with the public. We’re using today’s dollar terms, so it shouldn’t be too hard to explain to what extent rates will increase.

And as for the OP, these sorts of campaigns seem to appear each election. I’m not overly happy with the situation, but Labor are free to advertise “Labor + Greens = No Stamp Duty” if they wish.

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Alderney said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

I for one can’t wait for the concerned citizens who appear to be posing as ‘party hacks’ do likewise.

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

As well as his own anti liberal threads – like the “making friends and influencing people” one started a few days ago.

And my anti labor threads like the one on Karl maftoum. You seem to work yourself into a lather every time you read one of my posts and have to jump in, boots and all, to have a shot at me. Get help.

Wow. Touchy! If you don’t like being outed as a hypocrite, don’t act like one.

Also, don’t go crying when people “have a shot” at you, when that’s what you do to others in the vast majority of your posts.

I do not know the word to describe someone who is hypocritically calling someone else a hypocrit – but I am sure it describes you to a T
I have gone back looking through the threads you have created on RiotAct and there is not one, not a single one.

I have started threads bagging Liberals and bagging Labor, I have started many that have nothing to do with politics – whereas, all you do is jump on this site and bitch and moan about the ALP and work yourself into a tizz when you see one of my posts – I guess I should be flattered…

Yes. Be flattered. You should know that I sustain myself on seeing you whine any time someone criticises you. Your sooky tears nourish me.

Stop, seriously just stop. Your obsession with me is getting embarrassing. It is really bordering on pathetic. I don’t know what I have done to cause this pathological hatred you have for me. I have differences of opinion with a lot of posters on this site, but I also often agree with the same people on different topics, I have even +1’d some of your comments.

In all sincerity – have I wronged you in some way in the real world, or do you just get some perverse satisfaction from all this?

How is a response to you addressing something to me, an obsession?

There is a difference between having a differing opinion, and acting like a jerk. You come in here regularly and slag off people you don’t agree with, or people you think are stupid. You inject yourself into conversations to insult and belittle others. You’ve done it to me, and to many, many others. And when you get a little bit of your own medicine you act super sensitive and make out as though you’ve no idea why people might do it to you.

You are very welcome to share your opinion and the way in which it differs, and I’ve appreciated that times you’ve done so without acting like an arrogant prick. It’s just a shame that those instances are not the majority of your posts.

Look, you seem to be the only one who has such a problem with me. I think that says it all. This obsession of yours is boring me, I can’t imagine how much it is boring everyone else.

If you really have that little to do with your time, perhaps you might like to get a pen pal? I think US prisons have a scheme where you can write to inmates – perhaps you can try that?

Mysteryman 1:55 pm 15 Oct 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Alderney said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

I for one can’t wait for the concerned citizens who appear to be posing as ‘party hacks’ do likewise.

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

As well as his own anti liberal threads – like the “making friends and influencing people” one started a few days ago.

And my anti labor threads like the one on Karl maftoum. You seem to work yourself into a lather every time you read one of my posts and have to jump in, boots and all, to have a shot at me. Get help.

Wow. Touchy! If you don’t like being outed as a hypocrite, don’t act like one.

Also, don’t go crying when people “have a shot” at you, when that’s what you do to others in the vast majority of your posts.

I do not know the word to describe someone who is hypocritically calling someone else a hypocrit – but I am sure it describes you to a T
I have gone back looking through the threads you have created on RiotAct and there is not one, not a single one.

I have started threads bagging Liberals and bagging Labor, I have started many that have nothing to do with politics – whereas, all you do is jump on this site and bitch and moan about the ALP and work yourself into a tizz when you see one of my posts – I guess I should be flattered…

Yes. Be flattered. You should know that I sustain myself on seeing you whine any time someone criticises you. Your sooky tears nourish me.

Stop, seriously just stop. Your obsession with me is getting embarrassing. It is really bordering on pathetic. I don’t know what I have done to cause this pathological hatred you have for me. I have differences of opinion with a lot of posters on this site, but I also often agree with the same people on different topics, I have even +1’d some of your comments.

In all sincerity – have I wronged you in some way in the real world, or do you just get some perverse satisfaction from all this?

How is a response to you addressing something to me, an obsession?

There is a difference between having a differing opinion, and acting like a jerk. You come in here regularly and slag off people you don’t agree with, or people you think are stupid. You inject yourself into conversations to insult and belittle others. You’ve done it to me, and to many, many others. And when you get a little bit of your own medicine you act super sensitive and make out as though you’ve no idea why people might do it to you.

You are very welcome to share your opinion and the way in which it differs, and I’ve appreciated that times you’ve done so without acting like an arrogant prick. It’s just a shame that those instances are not the majority of your posts.

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Alderney said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

I for one can’t wait for the concerned citizens who appear to be posing as ‘party hacks’ do likewise.

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

As well as his own anti liberal threads – like the “making friends and influencing people” one started a few days ago.

And my anti labor threads like the one on Karl maftoum. You seem to work yourself into a lather every time you read one of my posts and have to jump in, boots and all, to have a shot at me. Get help.

Wow. Touchy! If you don’t like being outed as a hypocrite, don’t act like one.

Also, don’t go crying when people “have a shot” at you, when that’s what you do to others in the vast majority of your posts.

I do not know the word to describe someone who is hypocritically calling someone else a hypocrit – but I am sure it describes you to a T
I have gone back looking through the threads you have created on RiotAct and there is not one, not a single one.

I have started threads bagging Liberals and bagging Labor, I have started many that have nothing to do with politics – whereas, all you do is jump on this site and bitch and moan about the ALP and work yourself into a tizz when you see one of my posts – I guess I should be flattered…

Yes. Be flattered. You should know that I sustain myself on seeing you whine any time someone criticises you. Your sooky tears nourish me.

Stop, seriously just stop. Your obsession with me is getting embarrassing. It is really bordering on pathetic. I don’t know what I have done to cause this pathological hatred you have for me. I have differences of opinion with a lot of posters on this site, but I also often agree with the same people on different topics, I have even +1’d some of your comments.

In all sincerity – have I wronged you in some way in the real world, or do you just get some perverse satisfaction from all this?

NoImRight 12:49 pm 15 Oct 12

Just out of interest how big should the printing have been before those outraged would be satisfied?

Mysteryman 11:30 am 15 Oct 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Alderney said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

I for one can’t wait for the concerned citizens who appear to be posing as ‘party hacks’ do likewise.

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

As well as his own anti liberal threads – like the “making friends and influencing people” one started a few days ago.

And my anti labor threads like the one on Karl maftoum. You seem to work yourself into a lather every time you read one of my posts and have to jump in, boots and all, to have a shot at me. Get help.

Wow. Touchy! If you don’t like being outed as a hypocrite, don’t act like one.

Also, don’t go crying when people “have a shot” at you, when that’s what you do to others in the vast majority of your posts.

I do not know the word to describe someone who is hypocritically calling someone else a hypocrit – but I am sure it describes you to a T
I have gone back looking through the threads you have created on RiotAct and there is not one, not a single one.

I have started threads bagging Liberals and bagging Labor, I have started many that have nothing to do with politics – whereas, all you do is jump on this site and bitch and moan about the ALP and work yourself into a tizz when you see one of my posts – I guess I should be flattered…

Yes. Be flattered. You should know that I sustain myself on seeing you whine any time someone criticises you. Your sooky tears nourish me.

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Alderney said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

I for one can’t wait for the concerned citizens who appear to be posing as ‘party hacks’ do likewise.

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

As well as his own anti liberal threads – like the “making friends and influencing people” one started a few days ago.

And my anti labor threads like the one on Karl maftoum. You seem to work yourself into a lather every time you read one of my posts and have to jump in, boots and all, to have a shot at me. Get help.

Wow. Touchy! If you don’t like being outed as a hypocrite, don’t act like one.

Also, don’t go crying when people “have a shot” at you, when that’s what you do to others in the vast majority of your posts.

I do not know the word to describe someone who is hypocritically calling someone else a hypocrit – but I am sure it describes you to a T
I have gone back looking through the threads you have created on RiotAct and there is not one, not a single one.

I have started threads bagging Liberals and bagging Labor, I have started many that have nothing to do with politics – whereas, all you do is jump on this site and bitch and moan about the ALP and work yourself into a tizz when you see one of my posts – I guess I should be flattered…

Gungahlin Al 9:52 am 15 Oct 12

Note to self: when using pretend HTML, don’t use – they disappear.
Better:
[rant]
[/rant]
Insert where desired. 🙂

Gungahlin Al 9:49 am 15 Oct 12

Gungahlin Al said :

I’ve got one too. It does have an authorisation statement but crikey it’s well hidden. It’s sideways at the top left in the black on one side. Maybe 4pt text?

Wouldn’t mind betting it pushes the limit on minimum print size, but haven’t got time to look up the regs on that right now…

I’ve looked through legislation and the candidate handbook – there is nothing specifying minimum requirements as to legibility of an authorising statement.
http://elections.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/7931/Candidates_information_2012.pdf

You might be able to contest such an implementation on the grounds of reasonableness. But I think chalk this one up as:
1/ another example of inadequately drafted legislation
2/ the ALP being willing to push the requirements to the limit, and thereby giving the impression that they are trying to hide themselves as the source of the material.

For mine, it’s clear that the Liberals’ whole campaign is premised on a dishonest portrait of what was actually implemented. The Labor machine should have been entirely comfortable with standing behind their decision to implement it, and calmly explained the reality to voters instead of jumping into panic/negative campaign mode.

As I explained to Matt Watts this morning, the Liberals’ use of the Quinlan Report table (which was not adopted) in their brochures is equivalent to putting out a leaflet with a map from a report of possible road route options and screaming “Look they are going to build a road through your suburb!!!!” when the government had actually resolved to build said road on one of the other proposed routes. (The example I gave was saying the GDE was going west of the stadium, but that isn’t really relevant.)

It perhaps would also be like me leafleting everywhere saying “Look Tio Faulkner from Zed’s office did campaigning for the Liberals while on taxpayer wages!” even though Zed has subsequently satisfied the Clerk of the Assembly he didn’t, even though his attention to paperwork was woefully inadequate.

In fact, a person could easily put together a leaflet of newspaper headlines from the last four years purporting to demonstrate seriously inadequate management in the Liberal leader’s office, and it still wouldn’t measure up (down?) to the dishonesty of the Liberal rates campaign.

But there are a few days left, and the Liberals’ house of cards campaign is already falling down, with several economics academics with no pecuniary interest coming out to call “Shenanigans!” on the Liberals. [South Park reference]

Mysteryman 9:37 am 15 Oct 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Alderney said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

I for one can’t wait for the concerned citizens who appear to be posing as ‘party hacks’ do likewise.

What’s that now CSRI? Three rebukes against alleged liberal posters.

As well as his own anti liberal threads – like the “making friends and influencing people” one started a few days ago.

And my anti labor threads like the one on Karl maftoum. You seem to work yourself into a lather every time you read one of my posts and have to jump in, boots and all, to have a shot at me. Get help.

Wow. Touchy! If you don’t like being outed as a hypocrite, don’t act like one.

Also, don’t go crying when people “have a shot” at you, when that’s what you do to others in the vast majority of your posts.

Heavs 8:21 am 15 Oct 12

Could Canberra Mum also ‘really like Katy Gallagher, but just can’t afford the rate increase’.

Masterful choice in usernames by some of these astroturfers.

Thumper 7:59 pm 14 Oct 12

schmeah said :

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

The Liberals “Triple your rates” and the Labor “real Zed” attacks are a definite low point in this campaign.

That, and the Pirate Party showing they can’t read, are happy to accuse others of law-breaking without any evidence, and are also happy to cast some tool doing 90 over the limit as the victim in order to grab some votes from the Summernats set.

At least he has put his name to his post and corrected his misunderstanding .. unlike all the Green/Lib/ALP hacks who come out of the wood-works every 4 years. Yawn.

+1

schmeah 6:06 pm 14 Oct 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

The Liberals “Triple your rates” and the Labor “real Zed” attacks are a definite low point in this campaign.

That, and the Pirate Party showing they can’t read, are happy to accuse others of law-breaking without any evidence, and are also happy to cast some tool doing 90 over the limit as the victim in order to grab some votes from the Summernats set.

At least he has put his name to his post and corrected his misunderstanding .. unlike all the Green/Lib/ALP hacks who come out of the wood-works every 4 years. Yawn.

Woody Mann-Caruso 9:44 am 14 Oct 12

The Liberals “Triple your rates” and the Labor “real Zed” attacks are a definite low point in this campaign.

That, and the Pirate Party showing they can’t read, are happy to accuse others of law-breaking without any evidence, and are also happy to cast some tool doing 90 over the limit as the victim in order to grab some votes from the Summernats set.

pirate_taco 8:54 pm 13 Oct 12

I thought the advert was missing the authorised by statement too, and tweeted Elias Hallaj about it on Thursday – https://twitter.com/pirate_taco/status/256135480251404288

Turned out I was wrong, as was the OP in this thread, and it did have the statement, but I don’t think it would be possible to make the statement any less visible, with the tiny text in an odd position with dark grey on black.
Of course it should seem obvious that Labor were behind the flyer from its content, but why the attempt at hiding the statement?

The Liberals “Triple your rates” and the Labor “real Zed” attacks are a definite low point in this campaign. I hope the partisan mud slinging doesn’t get worse over the next week.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

LSWCHP 7:20 pm 13 Oct 12

Thumper said :

FD10 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I can’t wait until the election is over and the party hacks that are joining this site, for the sole purpose of pushing negative campaigns, while posing as ‘concerned citizens’, go away.

Unfortunately you will probably stick around.

Well, I really don’t mind CSRI’s input.

He seems generally sane and reasonable and thoughtful to me too.

Mr Evil 4:00 pm 13 Oct 12

Duffbowl said :

kakosi said :

So freakin’ bored by this bullshit pretend “outrage” at a flyer that, let’s face it, you can just put into the recycle bin.

Pretty much where every single political flyer I’ve received has gone.

One candidate may have had an issue with my daughter’s attitude towards politicians when he door knocked last week. Apparently, when asked about whether she would pass on some advertising material, “whatevs” wasn’t a good answer. Similarly, “nice umbrella” got a weird look from the bloke carrying the umbrella with pink dots.

I haven’t heard any political doorknockers at my front door for weeks – not since I installed an electrical cut-off switch on the front door bell to save electricity, on the good advice of Katy Gallagher.

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