Police chase in Deakin

No, they can shut-up first. I want a reply from Special G re: cost of immobilizing GPS things.

DMD. Thanks for all your input. You make this place a rich tapestry. Now please shut up.

I thought you were ignoring me, Nyssa.

Omg, you are so like totally on topic DMD.

Can we all like totally copy you?

You are da bomb. We all wanna be you.

“Maybe there needs to be a priority policy guideline thingamegigame that clearly outlines when to chase and when not to chase.” – my first line in this post, Maelinar, btw. Can you read?

And that’s not a related topic, Maelinar?

HAHA TAGLINE !!!

I’ve still been on the subject mostly – Comment by Deadmandrinking – January, 2008

He’s been offtopic since his first post. (this thread was about police chases and his first post is about criticising police in general)

I’ve still been on the subject mostly – where have you been?

troll – nice try though..

You won’t quit. You’re a pussy. You have no will. You cannot back up anything you say. Weak, just plain weak.

And I have the George Castanza problem?

Off to school, of to school, to prove to daddy that I’m not a fool, my lunch is packed, my shoes tied tight, I hope I do not get in a fight…

Keep spouting Billy Maddison.

+200 posts – sweet….DMD’s posts are like an opioid in my cerebral cortex – so addicted….. must try and quit for the will of the better (dan)man

Oh and Special G – on the immobilizer, it would be a huge cost; but there’s also the value of the stolen cars and property that would be recovered, not to mention human lives saved.

It’s not like the ACT Government is spending money on anything useful these days. They can’t even hire real artists.

Ha! I knew it! Danman, you cannot stick to a word you say.

Maelinar and Nyssa…if you’re going to ignore me..umm…ignore me.

I think this thread’s dead anyway. I’m award cranky with the best idea expressed IMO.

Yay – 200! But at what cost, Danman? At what cost? (That’s 1 whole credibility + GST).

Dagnammit – 200 is a good round number though… This is 199 – who wants to do the honours.

Oh and pussys come back for more ?

Maybe in bizarre-o world.

Oh and this is 197.

Admins – what is the most posts to one thread ever ?

Global ignore on WMD ?

I’m all for it.

Albeit I find it absolutely riveting, examining the psychology of a person who insists that their side of the story is right, as the group of people telling them they are wrong steadily grows.

Unfortunately, topic-wise, its not a discussion about the world being flat, and WMD isn’t Gallileo.

There’s probably enough insult in that already for WMD to get the thread to 200 all on his own, as he rants his frustrations to himself, again, another source of constant amusement to myself.

Remember WMD, hills with lone trees are another common lone-gunman destination, although you will be limiting your escape route choices.

DMD, no, it was a conversation until you started slagging people off and acting like a spoilt brat who can’t get his own way.

Danman, I agree with you, he should be ignored on all fronts.

194 – C’mon – 6 to go.

Someone feed the animals, 200 is only obver the rise…

DMD again you missed the point of Danmans return – to get this thread over 200 posts – hence the numbering.

GPS with immobilisers have been around for years in top end type cars. Sure fit them in everything – who is wearing the cost.

I’m going back to James Bond type stuff. Rocket launchers in police cars, sticky EMP type devices that also act as a taser for all those inside, cops pulling up next to the car and shooting the tyres/driver (depending on whether they have a mullet or not.).

Yeah…last time you said you were pissing off, you came back like the pussy (literally) you are.

Nyssa, it’s not a conversation, it’s an exchange of insults. Fun for a while, but it gets lame eventually.

Cranky – that is a freaking awesome idea, actually. I had heard something about this, but I thought it was only one of those many prototypes on the news that never get implemented. The only problem I can see now, though, is getting every car fitted and policing that – I’m talking unregistered cars that unregistered morons still drive because someone let them out of the zoo. But otherwise, I think it’s the best possible solution.

191 – and for what its worth DMD – and not that I really listened before – but after that little gutter mouth tirade – I will now vehemently ignore you. No point replying to me, don’t waste your time, you have proven in this and other threads that its just pointless tying to rationalize with someone who “Knows it all” so just go play Lego or something… fool….

That will teach me to watch Outrageous Fortune and type on here….

it should read:

“IS only the last resort…”

DMD, you aren’t responding to people’s posts, you’re abusing them, swearing at them and acting like a child.

You tell me to go f*&k myself, but really your response it’s only the last resort of someone who is unable to hold a conversation.

DMD,

These units are passive. Located in an inhospitable location (under a guard, or better, behind a door or roof lining – but which one?), so time is wasted looking for it.

Turn on by remote control.

This system already exists, and can remotely shut the car down when in a safe situation.

If I can’t read, Special G, how am I responding to people’s posts?

This is just sh-t, honestly. Go f-k yourselves; Maelinar, Danman and Nyssa76.

Cranky – the idea sounds interesting, but can you get techy on it? Also, people might remove the GPS’ with stolen cars or if they just think they’re hardcore.

Every vehicle should be fitted with a GPS transmitter, which can only be switched on by the owner on their instruction, or the Police. Vehicle position monitored by Police.

Mass produced, they would probably cost less than $100. Make it a rego requirement.

Fit all Police cars with surface to surface missles ala James Bond Style – suddenly no innocent people get killed during Police chases.

Could be deemed as kind of harsh by some standards on the offenders although I’m tipping it would only be harsh on the first one. Word would get around fairly quickly.

or should I say can read although comprehension is a problem.

DMD, oh how original….my those lessons at Uni must really be paying off.

182

Sure we can add a bit more into the mix – for 200 comments there are probably only 20-25 on topic.

Y and N are to far apart for a typo mistake. Admit it you just can’t read.

I don’t know Nyssa..how long do you want to keep digging? You’ve got Maelinar and Danman helping…can’t be long now.

Danman, I think you’re almost there….

I wonder how big the hole will be when he stops?

Oh my, I made a typo. That debases any statement on the spot!

Ahh thats VN not VY there DMD, do not let me stop you from spouting though

Why VY, you’re completely correct.

There, I said something…

We just need DMD to say something unbelievably stupid Danman. Shouldn’t take too long.

lest see if we can get tis thread past 200 comments eh ?

All this ‘we hate each other’ shite belongs in the school yard WMD. I should have preempted this, but basically you are an immature little turd.

Yes, because you couldn’t possibly make an opinion of your own, could you? What right-wing nutcases think of me is not really a concern for me.

Anyways, this has trailed on far too long. I think you’re a d-khead Maelinar, plain and simple. You think I’m a d-khead too. So lets just agree that we hate each other, move on and save the insults for on-topic arguments in future threads.

Don’t take my word for it WMD, most other people around here have been calling you a village idiot for quite some time.

Maybe you’re from the Village of the Damned…

You often play with village idiots? No wonder. Unfortunatley, I’m not a village idiot, that must be why we don’t get along.

No howdy, I’m just keeping myself bemused by playing with the village idiot.

Are you guys married?

And after I said I was kidding…the bot still seemed pretty unsure about it.

I’d post a transcript, but I doubt you’ll want your real name posted.

Anyways, I just wasted 20 minutes I was supposed to be spending getting stuff sorted for school. Interesting time-waster, entertaining for a little while. Have a good one Maelinar, and DO NOT BE ASHAMED!

lets just start with the 3rd insult (incidentally the 3rd comment from you) which gives us an overall picture of the level of conversation from you:

DMD will you come home with me, peter? i am a biiiiiiiiig retarded gayboy – remembering, your words, not mine.

I have the full conversation too.

The one with the penchant for gayness is not me in that conversation WMD. Please do not forget I have the proof at my end of the computer and am quite ready to post it.

You’re ga-ay Maelinar…the bot knows it.

Does anybody want to see the conversation WMD is having with my bot ?

And it’s smarter than you!

My, you really are a lame elf, P. Love the pic.

pffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttthahahahahahaha!

WMD – people regularly converse with me without my actual physical participation. I have a bot that does it for me.

To save you the frustration, http://www.mycybertwin.com/chat/maelinar fill your boots, tard. I’ll just get the report and some dot points from your rant.

Go mass-destruct.

** Disclaimer **
I’m on project Water Tanks. Sniper Rifles.

You said it Danman. I’m stumped. I can’t drag you down any further.

A Basic joke?

And I get it?

My God, I must be a nerd!

10 Run
20 Hide from DMD
30 goto 10

Initialize…+me…destroy Maelinars…END

Use pogrom.
n.
1: a form of riot directed against a particular group, whether ethnic, religious or other

Or is it programme????

End program….

So I’m some kind of computer program, then, Maelinar? Umm…dude, I think you might be loosing it..

We could get quite inappropriate with the entire iTard concept. Might I suggest we limit it to established ridicule (dont want to burn my own bridge) before it gets out of hand ?

or will it be MUAHAHAHA ITS THE FRIDAY STUPID SESSION ?

iTard? Is that an Apple spin-off of the iPod?

Its an electronic reality check device el – only special people are afforded them

It’s for the quirky set who like a lite version of a very popular tool, but don’t want to be hampered by the inherent legacies of the Mircosoft operating system…

iTard? Is that an Apple spin-off of the iPod?

No school tomorrow so DMD up late tonight.

Go put your jarmies on, and get tucked-in.

Sure, make up meanings for words. Don’t expect everyone to know them, though. We speak english.

I called you a tard. That can mean either a ptart or an itard, the selection was wholly up to me. Tard.

No, sorry, I’m not a psycho. Even if i was, there’d be better people to waste my life taking down than dimwits like yourself.

I also find it hilarious that you mistook ‘physical’ for intellectual. It just proves the point I was making about your ignorance. I feel I’ve done my best in exposing the real twat you are. However, I agree with Special G in that this post has gone way OT and it’s partially my fault. I’m sorry. I was really having fun, but I’ll stop now. I’ve laughed too hard already.

I drive tractors

OK, I admit to baiting him up bigtime.

I blame my sub-par grasp of English

TBH, I’m waiting for the day this guy decides long walks to water towers with good views of university campus grounds is a good thing.

While my actions are socially reprehensible, I take comfort in the internet being a wide open place, and he really does try to seek me out.

Both of you are as bad as each other in the latter part of this thread.

That’s him, not me Special G.

I just came under fire and responded in kind.

Didn’t this thread just go right off topic again. It does remind me of CC a bit. Lately she tends to comment on the thread as opposed to her anti CIT rant though.

How about you debate the topic not how intellectually grand you both are.

Sorry Mael, gotta leave work soon, could not be fracked wasting “my” time on this fool…..

All three of you need to go sit in the naughty corner.

Name the point you are proving.

TARD.

“Happy to share toys Danman”

Point proven.

Happy to share toys Danman, I might take a break for awhile.

Enjoy.

I said physical, btw, not intellectual. But as someone who has worked with people who suffer intellectual disabilities, I can do nil but laugh at your utter, utter ignorance.

Did you grow after 12?

Hey, your words, not mine.

I think you’ll find – as per my above comment that it was you who decided to out your TARDNESS.

I karnt reed or rite but i shure kan driyve a traktor.

DMD is a troll of the highest order.

Cant wait till school is back in – he will be too busy to hassle the constructive contributers that RA has to offer.

I daresay his physical issues are as a result of an appendage planted firmly in the middle of his forehead

Someone needs to shut this fool down.

To ad to that, here’s a quote for you.

“You don’t know the history of psychiatry, I do!”

– Tom ‘Nutcase’ Cruise.

I have various issues, some physical, that do hinder my learning process. Comment by Deadmandrinking — 24 January, 2008 @ 2:58 pm

If I were admin, you would be taglined. Thank your gods I’m not.

** DISCLAIMER **
Mælinar is Pro-Tard. Until they whinge and bitch and use it as a crutch. Then they get it because I’m also Pro-Equal Opportunities.

Mælinar: Treating people equally since 2004.

Being called immature, then responding with ‘TARD’…An absolute f-king ball!

Ye-hah, another ARTS student coming to save the world.

My comments on humanity and social issues aren’t necessarily sub-par, but I certainly don’t think you will find any comparable references in your semester notes.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve read through Psy 101 like the best of us, although in my case I took it with a grain of salt instead of taking it to heart like you did.

I cannot begin to start on the fundamental flaws in their logical, utopian world called psy 101, nor will I bother. I will merely state that what you may have learned academically is ‘normal’, isn’t. Want proof ? watch the news.

You really are priceless though.

Making assertions about somebody elses use of language: mbleh
Making accusations about sub-par use of the English language: possibly fair call
Calling somebody a moron on the internet: mbleh

ADMITTING YOU ARE A TARD TO MAELINAR: Priceless.

I can read, unfortunatley when your posts are concerned. The problem with your posts is simply that you can evidently grasp basic ideas about reading and writing, but you don’t possess the mental capacity to employ them for any real use. Your ‘observations’ are usually stating the plain obvious, or they have been called such in desperate attempts backtrack ridiculous ideas. You seem to think your ability to string together complex words puts you at superior level of intelligence, when in actual fact, they are a pitiful attempt to conceal a very simplistic, immature understanding of the world. You seem to suffer from some kind of inferiority complex.

I have no doubt you were able to get a degree, however. I suspect you do have expertise in some kind of technical, by-the-book area and your sub-par but acceptable command of the English language comes from essay writing on subjects that have been shoveled into your brain over the course of a semester. When it comes to humanity or social issues, however, you just simply have no idea, because your brain simply cannot process differences in backgrounds, economic status or how much various people were given in life. That is why you sound like a moron.

Personally, I’m not the best student in the world. I have various issues, some physical, that do hinder my learning process. But if there’s one thing that I am proud of, it’s the fact that I can sound less of a moron than a 30-something with a degree in the public service. Thanks mate. Keep up the good work and STAY MORON!

You really can’t read can you ?

I said it was a summary of you.

I suggest you get some comprehension and reading skills testing done, you may find your academic achievements improve.

Better still, just google my conversations with Areaman, and read through them. You are quite similarly selective readers, my advice to him applies to you too.

If you think a riot-act comment constitutes a book, you’ve got serious issues, mate.

I’m not the one flying off the handle with nutbag comments. You even make CC seem reasonably sane sometimes.

I think a Garth Marenghi quote sums you up quite nicely “I’m one of the few people who has written more books than I’ve read”.

Sums you up nicely.

Yes….I’m sooooooooo sooooooooo soooooooo bloody scared of you and your powerful logic. You can kill sarcasm with a mere few keystokes, making it seem as if it was never there! Some might think you’re just a moron, but they just can’t see you’re LORD HIGH GHOST ELF SES-NINJA MAELINAR and your insults about the pants (shiver…you destroyed me) belie a deep and comprehensive wit that would make Shakespeare shit himself.

You have names for your sheep, Evil? (And yes, the action bus poetry is bad, bad, bad. Does it warrant a thread.)

Since your not scared, why did you feel you had to mention it ?

Scaredy pants.

Any response from you will most probably contradict yourself, thus further eroding whatever credibility you may have. Your position, not mine.

Look out DMD: you’re messing with Kiwis here!

Ever heard of Bridge Pa or Chunuk Bair?

I’m sooo scared of Maelinar. No, I really am. The man can take on hurricanes with his bare hands, and I, as Danman detected by his powerful internet magic, am a pitiful little man. Obviously.

DJ – Nobody can come up with a foolproof plan for anything as far as policy-making goes. With car chasing policies, choosing not to pursue for minor offences would not solve the problems surrounding pursuits 100%. Nor does the current system.

The trick is to find which policy works BETTER, not which is foolproof. They are already considering backing off pursuits early in the US, last time I heard, which was a while ago, so they might have already done so in some parts (anyone got info on this?). Why not give that a try here if pursuits are causing problems?

I think the Police should use Vogon poetry to disarm/stop criminals!

Actually, there’s is plenty of bad poetry to use here in Canberra already – just look at half the crap on the ACTION Buses: it’ll have crims on their kness begging for mercy in a matter of moments!

What drugs are you on DJ? Go and have a second look at my post maggot. I’m sorry if the fact that I fully support the police chasing some sh!tbag car thief gets under your skin ar$ewipe you’ll just have to curl up in your screwed up little la la land and get over it.

Headbone’s comment, not mine for when you want to quote it.

DMD, careful who you call a f-king tool. Apparently Mael has received super ninja SES training and can kill you with a twitch of an eyelash LOL.

Life is not bathed in cotton wool. There are plenty of things and idiots out there who can end your life prematurely. If we take some of the anti-chase arguments to their logical conclusion we should just ban motor vehicles, electricity, knives, all drugs etc etc….shit why don’t we all just neck ourselves now? FFS.

Despite the EVIDENCE and findings Ingeegoodbee just doesn’t get it. THE POLICE WERE 100% CORRECT IN THEIR ACTIONS. Get over it fool. It was a tradegy but not as a result of the actions of the Police.

DMD – fueling the fire? Please tell me you aren’t serious. If you are, can you explain when and how Police should act. There you go. Open slather – educate us all with a plan the Police can use EVERY time. No red herrings or anything from left field, just a plan to use EVERY time in ANY scenario Police may confront.

Every time this is put to anybody on RA it becomes very quiet. This will no doubt be the same outcome.

It’s the cops fault. It’s always the cops fault. That’s why you run to one when someone bumps into your Volvo and scratches your beige/white/off-white/bone paintwork

I like the “Blues Brothers” references…”unecessary use of violence..has been approved!”

Nyssa76 – I hope to your chosen deity that DMD is not one of your students. Seems like maybe he should be Prime Minister – he knows everything and could draw good policy to reflect this.

Cops never get praise from the public but people like DMD are always 1st to cast a stone when they fuck up..

I reiterate that I would hate to be a copper in this town with people like that around.

Let cops be cops and we will keep on keepin on with what ever it is we do (work, bludge, student etc)

No DMD, it’s called respecting the law.

If the kid had any respect in the first place he/she wouldn’t decide to break the law and endanger others by the BS behaviour.

Cops do not engage in a pursuit just because they feel like it.

For every “negative” pursuit, there are probably another 4-5 positive ones which don’t make the news because they stopped the person BEFORE something serious happened.

DMD: “They caught them, Ingee – but at the cost of a young woman’s life”,
Don’t know how many times this has been pointed out DMD, but the police were cleared of any wrong doing. In fact, the coroner said that Clea Rose had been hit before a pursuit commenced. Do you not agree with the coroner? (who had access to the evidence, when you don’t)

They caught them, Ingee – but at the cost of a young woman’s life. You can’t tell me that was worth it.

That is possible, Nyssa, but if the cops do engage pursuit, that’s only adding more fuel to the fire.

But then it’s all society’s fault nyssa, kid had a ‘tough life’ n’that.

DMD, here’s a little to add to Special G’s scenario….

Kid doesn’t engage in pursuit with cops, is allowed to drive dangerously throughout Canberra streets due to PC bleeding hearts.

Hits and kills a pedestrian or two.

Is given a slap on the wrist and the cops are abused for doing nothing (despite being knobbled by PC bleeding heart policy).

But then what chance of catching the sh!tbags DMD? Take the little toe rag that killed Clea Rose … would he have been caught if the police weren’t involved in a full on chase through the Civic bus interchange! Surely it would have not been possible for the police to apprehend this mindless little sap if they diddn’t hunt him down right then and there?

Thanks Special G! The debate is back!

But the point when the kid became a major danger with that two-tonnes of metal is when he started driving dangerous while being pursued by police. If the police backed off early and followed from a distance…might that stop the kid from being so reckless?

How about this one then – Kid steals car – only property. Kid engages in pursuit with the police – suddenly kid is racing around the streets in 2 tonnes of metal with a chance of killing someone (be it themselves or bystander). little but more serious maybe?

God you’re a f-king tool, Maelinar.

Everybody, either just go home, get back to work, or find yourself some cheap booze or loose women and relax a bit.
Its 1630hrs on a Wednesday, and you’re taking the internet far too seriously.

PS: Anyone around to approve an article?

They cry themselves to sleep, Toy.

Don’t play the ‘it was all my little game’ card either. That’s stupid. You weren’t playing anyone. You were talking sh-t.

For the final time, how is a police officer’s job affected by the mere opinion of members of the public?

If you read my earlier post it says that there would be a policy written that dictates when a police officer may or may not engage in a pursuit.

Where do we have the jurisdiction to pass judgement on an official policy document, its contents that we are wholly unaware of ?

You think I took the bait lol – step back and see who played who.

I just had very little on at work today and had to keep myself entertained.

Cheers champ

Talk it up, pindick.

Danman, gonna answer my question?

WMD when I grow up can I be an internet warrior like you ?

Hacking, Slashing, and buffing your own ego till it glows. Pity nobody gives a f-ck about you or any of your stupid comments.

Incase you havent realised it yet, you are my, and other RA readers, toy.

Year 12 was the hardest 3 years of my life!

Not at all. Year 12 will be a big year for you.

Learning dun gived me a headache.

I was not allowed coffee when I was of school age.

Yeah…something wrong with learning, Ralph?

Much more time on your hands DMD, being school holidays and all.

c’mon…c’mon…*clicks fingers*

meow

I’m too short to fish Danman said so.

Aw, c’mon Danman, come back and make more of a d*ck of yourself, it was just getting fun.

Fish people. What about the fish.

I blink a little, then have a sip of coffee.

Do you guys look funny when you’re angry?

(sorry, that was cheeky : )

You called me a tool first, Danman. You wanted personal, I gave you personal. Now go and have a cry, b*tch.

I was personally hoping you’d clarify for me how I’m making life difficult for cops by expressing my opinions.

RA style eh. I have had many constructive debates here – with people who I may not necessarily get on with in the real world. As much as it gets heated at the end of the day we resp[ect everyone elses opinions – regardless of wether we think those opinions are viable or not. Soon as you get personal – as most people do when they can not prove a point – all rational thought goes out the window. Unlike you – i will still smile and walk away – comfortable that I am who I am without having to prove that to anyone. You sir – are belittling yourself by resorting to schoolground personal attacks and name calling. I myself am guilty of this, but I never strike first. I will always have my opinion and no matter how many people may tell me its wrong – its still my opinion and thats the beauty of it. Dont agree with me then maybe you should tell someone who cares – like someone who reflexts your opinion.

dmd you like to think yourself as big on the internet hay but I bet you’re making up for your little stature. maybe you have George Castanza syndrome.

Holden Caufield… mate…. sorry to burst your bubble but I have made my opinions clear in this thread – for this reason I have nothing else to add – and so I shall refrain from further additions to this thread….its become personal now – and that means that all meaningful debate left a long time ago…Already cut myself down a few levels in here – time to build it back up to that of a mature 30 something.

/me sits back with some popcorn enjoying the show.

^That should have been, ‘kids steal cars too’ on the third sentence.

I’m debating with you, Danman, Riot-Act style.

Maelinar, not everyone on the dole steals cars. Kids steal cars, usually supported by working parents. The innocent bystanders have been killed in Canberra over the last few years weren’t dole-bludgers.

You are free to tell everyone about your daily 3rd-grade learning process, but don’t expect people to praise you. Your mummy doesn’t post here.

I’m happy to maintain my role of Canberra Opinion, rather than news or information thanks.

Interesting comparison – I remain sure the idea of professional welfare leech career path wasn’t something even considered in colonial days, where everybody was either productive or died of starvation.

You are correct, my ‘maths’ formula concerns those at the sewer grunge end of the social scale. My observation was that those people are by higher statistics, the same people stealing cars and running poor little innocent bystanders down, and have more reasons to flee like a bitch from the law.

As far as my decision to tell everybody about it ?

I’ll leave that to my own perogative thanks. I don’t consider the input from the biggest tool on RA at the moment sufficient reason to change my behaviour.

DMD – You say you are entitled to your opinion so why do you chose to try and cut down anyone who has an opinion different to that of your own ?

Is there a reason that only you are allowed to have an “Opinion”?

Maelinar…you appeared to be suggesting that car thieves, whom relieve people of PROPERTY should have their lives forfeited. That train of thought was employed when they used to execute people for theft in colonial days. It is not any more, for good reasons. Your ‘math’s formula’ doesn’t take into account innocent lives, either.

Observations are fine, but you don’t need to tell everyone about them. People usually work things like that out by themselves, in passing thought, have a laugh and don’t take the idea too seriously. Only pretentious twats treat simple to work out sh-t like they just discovered the question for 42. Being a pretentious twat also makes you game for insults.

Ingee may have been sarcastic, I’m not sure, but that was the impression I got. If he’s not, then he, like you, is a twat.

You are confusing me with Ingeegoodbee. Not a good standing point for throwing insults from.

For the record I said that some are in the severe minuses when you calculate how much money has been invested in them by the Government, opposed to however much money or productivity they have earned.

and Ingee said are also highly likely to be a financial drain on the tax payer then it’s likely that any deaths will result in a net gain.

Mine is an observation, Ingee’s is an opinion.

You really fall into these things don’t you ?

Maelinar, I would advise you back out now. The last comment you made was so unbelievably stupid that, well, what can you say to it that everybody hasn’t instinctively thought?

Relying on people being violently killed is not a good way to save government money. It is immoral. There is no price-tag on people’s lives.

The fact that you suggested otherwise makes you fair game for insults. D-ckweed.

WMD – down to making personal attacks due to your lack of substance again eh ?

Telling, really telling. Get back to us when you want to actually converse, until then treat the Say It! button as a shovel, and each time you hit it, your hole gets bigger.

F-king hell, it is an opinion you douchebag. Am I the AFP Commissioner? No. Therefore, I am practicing my democratic right to criticize the actions of those appointed to ensure law and order by those elected in a vote I participated in. The fact that you have experienced the alternative to this should make you understand how good this is.

Harden up? Dude, what f-king planet are you living on? Cars are big lumps of steel weighing tons. If they plow into you at 150kph, they will kill you, no matter how fat you are. I walk around in public fully aware of this fact and I am cautious, not paranoid…but I’m sure as hell going to praise any effort to stop cars going out of control and flattening people. Not everyone is Superman in their silly fantasies.

This is not an idealistic utopian society. That is why people like me make their opinions known – because there are things wrong with our society. By saying what I think in debates and listening to their thoughts (no matter how delusional), I am contributing, in however small a part, to a melting pot of ideas from which others can draw their own. It’s this whole big, wonderful thing. I could go on for hours, but you’re obviously a twit and you wouldn’t understand this.

Lock your doors. There are people with opinions outside…and they will make you do stuff you don’t want and shouldn’t have to if you hadn’t the willpower of a dog-turd.

DMD – Funny you may mention that – I am a naturalised Aussie – I am sure I can talk at great length about the injustices that armed police forces perpetrate against innocent citizens.

You sir have to sit back down and stop talking out your arse (or at least muffle it a bit eh??)

There is a difference between making your opinion known and telling someone how to do their job – perhaps you can not tell the difference as it seems you miscommunicated my message.

PS I think you meant to say “Stay Home”. Furthermore – I shall not stay home because I am not the one scared obout being hit by a car thats in a chase – if your number is up well there is not much you can do… Maybe its you that should stay home, wrapped in cotton wool, lest the sky fall down on your “purdy” little head. Me, ill take my rampant cop chase car body blow, if it comes – and if it never does, I am not going to walk around a catatonic paranoid person waiting for it.

Shit happens….This is not an idealistic utopian society – maybe you need to stay inside lest you see something you do not agree with.

maybe you need to harden up a bit eh ?

LOL@Ingee. There was a ‘Yes Minister’ line about smokers that sounded eerily similar to this…

Maelinar, consider my formula; About 100% of the police chases in canberra result in a yet-to-be-determined percentage of Riot-act posters commenting in a relevant thread under a handle that falls upon a 49.9 mark between a lame elf and the noises I make while gargling water. About 10 in every 10 of these comments comprise of about 91% absolute ridiculousness and 8% useless words with about 1% displaying possibly serious mental health issues. That means you’re a complete jackass.

And Danman, I think you come under the correct definition of tool. It is your democratic right to criticize the actions of authorities. That’s what separates us from fascist regimes. If you want a country where you can’t criticize the government or the police – there’s a few countries around. Try lasting ten minutes living in them.

Are you suited to be PM? No? Never criticize the government again. Are you suited to be a doctor? No? Never complain about a blatant medical stuff-up again. Are you suited to be a scientist? No? Never have an opinion on global warming again…the list goes on…

If someone waved a KNIFE in my face (read the news story?), yes I would be terrified. But if that knife-wielder plowed into an innocent person and took their LIFE over my mere property, I would be devastated. You can punish that criminal all you like after the fact, but…well, I’m repeating myself, aren’t I? Say home, Danman, this world is too hard for you.

(and Maelinar…umm, dude…what? Where you joking? I mean…seriously WTF???!! Seek some help!)

There is clearly a trade-off between effectiveness in deterring / prosecuting every crime, and risk to the public at large. It’s a false dichotomy to make out that the choice is all-or-nothing, though – there’s clearly room for rules of engagement that allow for more risk in cases of more major crimes.

How these rules are enacted is clearly a professional policing matter, but the decision on where to draw the line on what is acceptable risk to the public is a matter of public policy. As such it should be open to public debate without those debating it being accused of second-guessing the cops.

Danman, are innocent bystanders better off dead as well?

Err no idiot.

Seems like you want to f*ck the cops off then – we do not need law and order – like I said top of the thread – I would hate to be a copper in a town like this with tools like you on the loose. I would like to see what you think if they waved a gun in your face and stole your car – I spose you would pray to your god for their forgiveness ?

You think you can do a better job than the police involved then go join the force and get a badge – better get a chest to pin it on first though…Until then STFU and let cops be cops and do their job. Who are you to criticise them anyway – the Chief Commissioner of policing in the ACT?

Me – I dont think I am better than a cop at their job – thats why I am in the career path that I am. If I thought I could do a better job I would be a cop – not sitting on my high pillar behind a screen saying they should have done it this way or that……

It will always be tragic when innocents bystanders get killed but sadly it is inevitable sometimes. Do you really think the cops enjoy spastics like you claiming that someone died because of their involvement in a car chase….

Sometimes you can just be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If people did not run – cops would not chase….simple.

Its losers like you that make being a cop a *** of a job.

Like I said damned if you do damned if you do not.

Fully agree Maelinar.

If you consider the fact that so called “innocent” pedestrian bystanders are also highly likely to be a financial drain on the tax payer then it’s likely that any deaths will result in a net gain.

The fact is, a stolen car is not worth somebody’s life. – arguable point.

‘somebody’s’ life has a has an inflated value in Australia, albeit a little misguided when you tally up the net total worth of some characters.

You’ll find that some are in the severe minuses when you calculate how much money has been invested in them by the Government, opposed to however much money or productivity they have earned.

Chances are, it’s those people who are also stealing cars, the maths is pretty easy from there.

Five people have been arrested on a number of charges and will appear in the ACT Magistrates Court today.

Kudos to the coppers for the good result.

Special G – If they’re waving around a shotgun, like DJ. If they’ve just assaulted someone, murdered someone or attempted either. There’s probably heaps more.

Danman, are innocent bystanders better off dead as well?

The fact is, a stolen car is not worth somebody’s life. You can blame the criminal all you like after a fatal collision caused by a chase, but the innocent person who was killed is still going to be dead.

I think there was a pretty good reason for the pursuit. See ABC news story.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/21/2142876.htm

Anyone else hate alien probes? I swear they visited me this week…

How about “Police chase in Deaking leads to discovery of good spots for fishing”?

killjoy!

Ladies, the title of the thread is “Police chase in Deakin”, not “Ingee and Headbone argue fishing spots”.
Perhaps find or create a thread on fish?

Someone will tell us to get a room soon anyway.

I don’t think this has much to do with a Police chase in deakin anymore unless you can think (in your obviously weird brain) of a link.

Better Salmonoids than Carp Ingee. Give me trout anyday. Seriously, most if the high alpine streams had little in the way of catchable/recreational fish species prior to salmonoids. They do hit frogs etc and tadpoles but the Snowy system has been altered so much that their effect I believe is neglible compared to the ecomony they provide the region.

Don’t know it, or at least not by that name. I usually go in from the Snowy River Road – there’s some great spots between the border and up near Tin Hut.

I doubt I’ll ever see a fisheries inspector up there, never seen one yet.

If you want to get an idea of how badly trout degrade stream biodiversity try fishing above some of the snowy scheme adit’s which stop the upstream progress of salmonoids.

Generally via Stockship Hut track (wh)Ingee. I think however that trout have been around long enough now that they are part of the ecology there. I was joking when I said I would breach NSW trout fishing laws by killing every fish. I will make sure that NSW Fishing Inspectors keep an eye out for you breaching said laws. Nothing would make me happier

No complaints from me Headbone. I fish there regularly and have always simply chosen the best trout for my ‘bag limit’ and then simply thrown the others into the bush where they wont do any more damage to the ecology of the river.

Which end do you go in from?

This has nothing to do with the thread however for those who do not know, The Ingeegoodbee is a small, pristine alpine river flowing out of the Snowy Mountains into Victoria. I regularly flyfish there. I used to practice catch and release only there however I think in future, in deference to RiotAct Ingeegoodbee I will neck every single fish I catch.

should read compliant

Maybe there needs to be a priority policy guideline thingamegigame that clearly outlines when to chase and when not to chase

I daresay that there is already a fairly comprehensive policy regarding this written. Us as citizens and no tlaw makers are just unaware of it.

Sure tragedy does happen during these chases some times – but if the person being chased did not flee then there would not be any dangers. Blame should solely rest on the assailants.

DJ did get in a pursuit the night before he went and shot himself, would have only been a matter of time before he pulled the trigger of that shotgun on someone else.

A perfect example of what coul dhave happened if the police did not chase. And he evaded them on more than one occasion. I heard a story about this upstanding citizen. Him and his mate mugged a guy – the guy was complaint – handing over his wallet and phone etc without a fight. They still decided to have some “fun” and bashed the fuck out of him anyway…. Nice people.

Better off dead….. to me at least

Society has no place for violent criminals.

Ingee does like a good preaching session.

British cops years ago did find the body in the boot of a car.

DJ did get in a pursuit the night before he went and shot himself, would have only been a matter of time before he pulled the trigger of that shotgun on someone else.

I think you are all being premature in your comments until we hear from “The Sage” Ingeegoodbee. Please Oh wise and all knowing Ingee enlighten us with you insight on this issue.

If law enforcement receives proper training regarding pursuits, then I think it’s the police officer’s call whether a chase is warranted or not. If you can’t have faith in your infrastructure, then you have already lost.

Furthermore, if a crash happens due to a chase, then fault should be at the feet of the one who caused the chase – the criminal. Society should come down hard on selfish, reckless, and violent behavior, not mitigate it. It’s clear cut.

Caf: Anita Cobbys kidnappers were unsuccessfully pursued by a civilian vehicle (no police were on the spot). That’s one just off the top of my head, although I’m sure I can think of many others. My point is that at the time of the chase, Police don’t know what they’re dealing with. That gets hashed over by armchair generals after the events.

DMD – How do you propose to identify the person intending to carve someone up – of that’s right they do it by running and stopping at nothing – ram them off the road I say. Bull bars for cop cars – little cost.

Maybe there needs to be a priority policy guideline thingamegigame that clearly outlines when to chase and when not to chase.

In the case of $10,000 measly bucks…well, you can’t price tag human life. In the case of say, an armed maniac who is ALREADY INTENDING to injure or take people’s lives, perhaps a chase is worth the risk. Still, it’s shady ground – but I’m sick of people trying to send those who criticize police chases on some sort of retarded guilt trip. Sure, the police are human and it’s their community too, but it also belongs to the rest of us. Everyone has a right to criticize the police.

Precisely how many times has that happened, Mike?

So I assume Aurelius that if I use my car to kidnap your partner/child/sibling you don’t mind me making good my escape, then carving them up somewhere nice & quiet. After all, the cops will get me through my rego number when I get home the next day. (Or the day after)….gee thanks for that.

Maybe they could use that zeppelin that comes around every once in a while advertising something? Just whack a camera on it, and the advertising pays for the rest! I wonder how many you’d need for complete coverage?

You have to break a few eggs to make an omlette.

But a bit indiscriminate, even by Victorian standards.

Spooky would cut through the roof like a hot knife through butter!

Mr Evil, Spooky could be a bit of overkill?

Not in Victoria. Apparently they wanted to use it on the rowdy fans at the Australian Open but the arena roof was closed.

If they ever rule that the cops can’t speed to catch criminals, I’m changing my career path and making some real money.!

But then everyone would complain that the cops aren’t doing enough to catch me and let them speed again.

Damnit

I love this site! Let the police make their decisions and do their job. If you hear sirens, look, and then get the hell out of the way!

Thumper, Spooky is the AC-130 gunship (1 x 105mm Howitzer, 1 x 40mm cannon and 2 x 20 mm miniguns); Puff was the C-47 gunship (3 x 7.62mm miniguns).

So you were right both times, although Spooky could be a bit of overkill?

Jazz, every woolies in town is pulling $10k/hr easy.

They don’t do bank runs every hour, so do the math. I’d say their balance sheet would read $10k in petty change just for the tills, before they get into the hard stuff and then reserves.

Surely it’s more practical for the chopper to be parked somewhere in waiting? Rather than just flying around aimlessly going wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Freddie, the ACT Govt could buy KC-130s to aerial refuel the choppers!

Anyway, the deterent effect would be fantastic – knowing that running from the Police could lead to 50-100 rounds of 20 mm HE tearing you and your car apart would be enough to put the hardest hoon off!

” choppers on 24 hour a day readiness.”
Nice but the following considerations would have to be made.
1. Helicopters on average only have about 3 hours of fuel in the air.
2. To maintain 24hr coverage you would need about 7 aircraft to account for maintenance defects and spares
2. Most pursuits only last between 5-10 minutes
3. It would take about 5-10 minutes to get a chopper airbourne and on scene.

Would probably cost a bit more than the 10 mil you quoted.

“Hopefully, it ended with the unlikely result of a clean arrest with no injuries …”
Unlikely? Really? Do you have some statistics that you failed to share? I would suspect that a “clean arrest with no injuries” is in fact likely.

Special G – you missed my point about context and relevance; obviously if the crime is personally affecting me I’m going to be more concerned about it, geez.

Hey JD, could you put together one of your flight sims to re-enact the chase + chopper?

Be like a scene out of the much missed Canberra 500…

If the community want both their cake and to eat it ot, ie law enforcement as well as perfect safety in their mollycoddled lives, then the following is one option:

A levy on all ACT taxpayers to fund enough helicopters to be on permanent readiness close enough to any car-related crime to be able to identify and follow the offending vehicle without the need for ‘dangerous’ police pursuits. methinks it would require a minimum of 3 choppers on 24 hour a day readiness. Cost? Could be as little as $3m a year, as much as $10m a year or more. But think of the additional safety we would all have in our lives! that everpresent threat that we all face on a daily basis that a rogue cop chase will cause our demise will be forever lifted. We can walk the street day or night, safe in the knowledge that the previously infintesimally tiny chance that a chased car would result in the death of a citizen has been reduced to an even lower infintesimally small number, and for only $300 per year per Canberran!

get real people

damn thumper. where do you shop that has $10,000 in the till?

More here http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/21/2142876.htm

NathanaelB – next time you get a knife stuffed in your face and $10k stolen you let the Police and courts know what you would like them to do.

Thumper – there’s “petty crime” in the legal sense, then there’s petty crime in terms of community opinion in the context of what matters to the general public.

If a business loses $10,000 in a robbery – of course the business owner is going to want the offender apprehended … but to the general community does it warrant putting anyone’s life in danger? Does the public really care; the crime doesn’t affect them … hence “petty”.

Like Mr Evil’s suggestion – except I’d have said a heli with mounted cannon, so the offender knows they needn’t even bother running.

Hey, that must be a first: someone agreeing with one of my hare-brained schemes!

i agree with danman and mr evil. or at the very least let’s become a 3 strikes and you’re out territory, make people take some personal responsibility for their actions else they’re in the slammer doing hard time.

Why don’t they just do what they do in the movies. have 17 cars in chase, blocking every possible exit point and then lay some road spikes when they get bored.
I see nothing wrong with what happened in the Blues Brothers movie…

Let’s remember that emergency vehicle sirens are there to warn innocent bystanders.

Every Patrol car should be armed with a 20 mm rotary cannon to deal with these incidents.

Knife robbery suspects apprehended in stolen car.

Well done lads and lasses.

As usual the cops are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

This subject is so tired on RiotACT – hence my decision to provide nothing constructive except a shoot to kill policy on all automotive and traffic infringements.

I would hate to be a cop in this town with all the police chase naysayers.

I just wish they could keep their police chases a bit quieter. Here I was trying to get some sleep in Forrest after a pretty telling weekend (this was about 9-9.30pm) and had to hear all the sirens and hoo ha… priorities people!

Many people steal vehicles to commit violent crimes so they can’t be tracked down.

So you would want people to get away with it then? If that’s the case, next time you have your car stolen, don’t bother report it since you won’t want the police to chase after your property!

Why do we have rego plates on cars, if not to be able to identify a car, and then deal with the matter later?
The only exception to this would be in the case of a stolen car. But why initiate a chase for a stolen vehicle? It’s a petty crime that will only see someone get a slap on the wrist.
The police’s job is what? Protecting public safety? Or projecting their own self-importance?