The Give Money To The ALP pokie plan rides again

shirty_bear said :

Pre-commitment can’t work – there’s too many ways around it without making it unacceptably intrusive. There only needs to be one, of course, but it’s *such* a dumb idea that there are numerous.

Wilkie either (a) doesn’t understand, or (b) is an idiot. Or both.

The only simple way to cut pokie turnover is to cap maximum bet size. Slowing them down wouldn’t hurt.

This is glaringly obvious, yet the pre-commitment gibber rolls on. It’s a dog and pony show.

Pre commitment wasn’t Wilkie’s original position, it was the compromise proposal the ALP endorsed (no doubt because it’s overly complex and ineffective).

I agree though – $1 bet maximum, that or just ban the damned things aside from in casinos.

shirty_bear said :

Pre-commitment can’t work – there’s too many ways around it without making it unacceptably intrusive. There only needs to be one, of course, but it’s *such* a dumb idea that there are numerous.

Wilkie either (a) doesn’t understand, or (b) is an idiot. Or both.

The only simple way to cut pokie turnover is to cap maximum bet size. Slowing them down wouldn’t hurt.

This is glaringly obvious, yet the pre-commitment gibber rolls on. It’s a dog and pony show.

I’ve been saying the same thing for a long time too (see my G+ post about it
https://plus.google.com/u/0/108100986184392950929/posts/FHo1wsEdQxy )

The Greens had an alternate proposal to cap the maximum bet at $1, which would go a long way to reducing the speed at which you could loose money, and is much easier/cheaper to implement, without the need for the government to track your gambling through a pre-commitment card.
I wish people would talk more about that.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

Meanwhile, the Canberra Liberals are being just as supportive for the pokie clubs:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/act-libs-commit-to-pokies-expansion-20121004-272m4.html

Pre-commitment can’t work – there’s too many ways around it without making it unacceptably intrusive. There only needs to be one, of course, but it’s *such* a dumb idea that there are numerous.

Wilkie either (a) doesn’t understand, or (b) is an idiot. Or both.

The only simple way to cut pokie turnover is to cap maximum bet size. Slowing them down wouldn’t hurt.

This is glaringly obvious, yet the pre-commitment gibber rolls on. It’s a dog and pony show.

Now that Peter Slipper has resigned, presumably the odious Gillard will eat crow and head cap-in-hand for Andrew Wilkie’s office? And Andrew Wilkie may get the pokies trial up after all?

As I’ve said on numerous ocassions, there is only one way to be sure….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogj5ztTE0zw

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzD-zGIJkbY

It’s the only way to be sure.

dvaey said :

Gamblers will now have the ability to ‘preset how much they are willing to lose’? … What if they change their mind, do they have to move to another machine, or a different venue?

I think the real issue is that you can pre-set your maximum loss at $100k…

dvaey said :

….if they have a $200 win are they allowed to reset the limit and try again?

Now *that* is an interesting idea. If you pre-set your loss at $20, you should only be able to loose that much in any bets, regardless of any money you win. So you can’t win $10k then feed it all back in. I bet the clubs would protest *that* rule.

A trial of a scheme forcing punters to preset how much they are willing to lose will be held in the ACT, with plans for it to begin next year.

Gamblers will now have the ability to ‘preset how much they are willing to lose’? So, if a gambler is only willing to lose $10, and they stick a 20 in, will it reject it? It seems a bit pointless to allow someone to insert whatever money they want, then nominate how much they want to lose. What if they change their mind, do they have to move to another machine, or a different venue? What if someone presets that their loss limit is $10, if they have a $200 win are they allowed to reset the limit and try again?

Hey JB, if you want to link a Fairfax yarn in the most user friendly manner, whack ?skin=text-only on the end of the URL.

Gives the text only version for any page, which is the friendliest across all platforms and saves those with mobile devices from chewing up their download limit. Especially useful for those pages that keep auto-refreshing themselves ie all of them.

Because in such a small area with the pokies tightly held it is much easier to nudge the results in the direction desired by said whats is name