Witnesses sought to hit-run in Garran

magiccar9 said :

Roksteddy said :

magiccar9 said :

1. This stretch doesn’t need to be 60km/h. It should remain 80km/h like the two pieces of road either end of it. The road is the same width, same number of lanes, and no more congested to warrant the speed decrease. .

Absolute trollop. There is a huge difference between this stretch of road and those on either side of it. Those other sections of road don’t have driveways, have wide verges, no major destinations and no points where large numbers of people are crossing all day, especially during peak hour. TCH is a major convergence point for people and vehicles.

Trollop you say? The sections of Yamba Dr before and after have numerous roads and driveways joining. They also have on-road bus stops, a wide median strip, and plenty of space either side of the roadway. The only difference out the front of TCH is the intersection which provides ample opportunity for those to cross – even the elderly.

The point I’m trying to make is why do drivers and the flow of traffic always loose out to pedestrians? When will people take a little responsibility for themselves when crossing a road? Drivers are always being slowed down to “increase pedestrian safety”. If the Government was so concerned about this location, why didn’t they use the money to build a footbridge above the road instead of a dinky fence?

And how many seconds will you save with higher speed limits here?

However, having said that, I do agree people should take responsibly for themselves. It should be a two way thing. People crossing the road should look right, then left, then right again, as I was taught in kindergarten, but people driving should also exercise care.

Roksteddy said :

magiccar9 said :

1. This stretch doesn’t need to be 60km/h. It should remain 80km/h like the two pieces of road either end of it. The road is the same width, same number of lanes, and no more congested to warrant the speed decrease. .

Absolute trollop. There is a huge difference between this stretch of road and those on either side of it. Those other sections of road don’t have driveways, have wide verges, no major destinations and no points where large numbers of people are crossing all day, especially during peak hour. TCH is a major convergence point for people and vehicles.

Trollop you say? The sections of Yamba Dr before and after have numerous roads and driveways joining. They also have on-road bus stops, a wide median strip, and plenty of space either side of the roadway. The only difference out the front of TCH is the intersection which provides ample opportunity for those to cross – even the elderly.

The point I’m trying to make is why do drivers and the flow of traffic always loose out to pedestrians? When will people take a little responsibility for themselves when crossing a road? Drivers are always being slowed down to “increase pedestrian safety”. If the Government was so concerned about this location, why didn’t they use the money to build a footbridge above the road instead of a dinky fence?

people should look before they cross the road and not just cross because it’s a crossing or a green walk sign is light up and expect vehicles are going to stop. It’s as simple as that.

magiccar9 said :

1. This stretch doesn’t need to be 60km/h. It should remain 80km/h like the two pieces of road either end of it. The road is the same width, same number of lanes, and no more congested to warrant the speed decrease. .

Absolute trollop. There is a huge difference between this stretch of road and those on either side of it. Those other sections of road don’t have driveways, have wide verges, no major destinations and no points where large numbers of people are crossing all day, especially during peak hour. TCH is a major convergence point for people and vehicles.

magiccar9 said :

dungfungus said :

rigseismic67 said :

The area where the nurse was killed a few years ago is a 60km zone now, see if you can find someone doing 60km at any time on this stretch?. It simply a joke.
A persons life was lost and the government still doesn’t put in a camera system, and now this happens to someone out for a walk. Will we finally see the ACT Government do something to calm the traffic here?

I totally agree. I travel this stretch regularly and I am always overtaken. I have only seen the radar van there once in 6 months.

1. This stretch doesn’t need to be 60km/h. It should remain 80km/h like the two pieces of road either end of it. The road is the same width, same number of lanes, and no more congested to warrant the speed decrease. The only reason that the nurse was killed was from an out of control driver who was running from the police and ran a red light – not a usual speed related traffic incident, so you can’t really use that as evidence.

2. Radar vans love this road – I believe there has been about 4 in the last 4 months in the mornings I travel it. I suppose you’ll propose speed cushions for the traffic calming too? Heck, while we’re at it why don’t we ban cars from this area altogether. Just because someone can’t cross a road safely doesn’t mean we need to lower speed limits.

” Just because someone can’t cross a road safely doesn’t mean we need to lower speed limits”.
You should examine what you have just said.
The lower the speed at the time of impact, the more chance of survival there is.
There are some areas where old people have to cross the road and this cannot be done safely if traffic is too fast.
The pedestrian crossing outside TCH would be used mainly by staff as the car park opposite is a staff only car park. Fences have been erected both sides of the crossing to prevent pedestrians from crossing away from the pedestrian crossing. Buses stop near the crossing regularly. It is a dangerous area for pedestrians so a 60 KMH zone there is justified and speed cameras should be used to condition drivers to slow down.
There is a section of Bugden Avenue in Fadden which is a 50 kmh zone but the usual speeds vehicles travel at there is 70 kmh and there are many blind curves. One has to be nimble to get across away from the pedestrian crossings at the speed humps.

magiccar9 said :

That being said, pedestrians are the only problem with this road – not lighting, speed, or anything else. If they don’t want to be hit by a car, they can use the amply supplied crossings at traffic lights. All too often are pedestrians too lazy to walk to the crossings – instead choosing to play chicken with oncoming traffic (even with the new eyesore of a fence installed).

I think the eyesore fence was originally put in to stop people turning right out of the hospital car park. You can tell by the several dirt tracks at the end of each iteration of the fence going north along Yamba Drive. They’re created by people chucking U-ies across the grass median strip. It will eventually extend all the way to the lights at Kitchener St, I suppose.

dungfungus said :

rigseismic67 said :

The area where the nurse was killed a few years ago is a 60km zone now, see if you can find someone doing 60km at any time on this stretch?. It simply a joke.
A persons life was lost and the government still doesn’t put in a camera system, and now this happens to someone out for a walk. Will we finally see the ACT Government do something to calm the traffic here?

I totally agree. I travel this stretch regularly and I am always overtaken. I have only seen the radar van there once in 6 months.

1. This stretch doesn’t need to be 60km/h. It should remain 80km/h like the two pieces of road either end of it. The road is the same width, same number of lanes, and no more congested to warrant the speed decrease. The only reason that the nurse was killed was from an out of control driver who was running from the police and ran a red light – not a usual speed related traffic incident, so you can’t really use that as evidence.

2. Radar vans love this road – I believe there has been about 4 in the last 4 months in the mornings I travel it. I suppose you’ll propose speed cushions for the traffic calming too? Heck, while we’re at it why don’t we ban cars from this area altogether. Just because someone can’t cross a road safely doesn’t mean we need to lower speed limits.

rigseismic67 said :

The area where the nurse was killed a few years ago is a 60km zone now, see if you can find someone doing 60km at any time on this stretch?. It simply a joke.
A persons life was lost and the government still doesn’t put in a camera system, and now this happens to someone out for a walk. Will we finally see the ACT Government do something to calm the traffic here?

I totally agree. I travel this stretch regularly and I am always overtaken. I have only seen the radar van there once in 6 months.

The area where the nurse was killed a few years ago is a 60km zone now, see if you can find someone doing 60km at any time on this stretch?. It simply a joke.
A persons life was lost and the government still doesn’t put in a camera system, and now this happens to someone out for a walk. Will we finally see the ACT Government do something to calm the traffic here?

JimCharles said :

For a 24 hour facility with a tendency to treat drunks at the weekend….they need much better lighting on that stretch, it’s dull.
You know, like, bright, intrusive, white lights, with a few sparkly orange flashers…..something to shock drivers into remembering they’re entering a different zone.
It’s typically understated Canberran in trying to make things disappear….but you can’t just slip a refurbished major hospital into the neighbourhood without dealing with the surroundings properly.

There was about 3-4 weeks recently where the entire run of street lights along the stretch of Yamba drive in question were flashing of their own accord in the mornings. In the dark it was very distracting to drivers.

That being said, pedestrians are the only problem with this road – not lighting, speed, or anything else. If they don’t want to be hit by a car, they can use the amply supplied crossings at traffic lights. All too often are pedestrians too lazy to walk to the crossings – instead choosing to play chicken with oncoming traffic (even with the new eyesore of a fence installed).