Police Wrap – 21 October

johnboy 21 October 2008 49

1. 16 year old charged with ram raiding!

    Detectives from ACT Policing’s Territory Investigations Group Property Crime team arrested a juvenile male of Hughes, on multiple charges yesterday (October, 20).

    The 16-year-old alleged offender was arrested in relation to a ram-raid, aggravated burglaries, stolen motor vehicles and police pursuits, after handing himself into police.

    He was charged with ride/drive motor vehicle without consent, unlicensed driving, aggravated burglary and theft. He was bailed from the Regional Watch House at City Station to appear in the ACT Children’s Court on Thursday, October 30, 2008.


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peterh peterh 2:09 pm 22 Oct 08

sorry, 3-post, I meant future, not fture.

peterh peterh 2:08 pm 22 Oct 08

johnboy said :

Peter you seem to be advocating for the current system of crappy detention.

Do you think that’s worked well?

JB, no, i don’t. But there needs to be more emphasis on helping these kids get a great future, rather than spend their lives in a spiral of misery. Quamby was a joke, crims and citizens alike agreed.

a new squeaky clean centre with new approaches is ideal, compared to the dark old facility that quamby was. I just feel that there needs to be more focus on rehab, and positive steps to get these kids a decent fture….

peterh peterh 2:00 pm 22 Oct 08

justbands said :

Many junior sporting clubs (certainly all the ones I’ve been involved with) will offer assistance (waive rego fees, help with equipment costs, etc) for less advantaged kids.

the problem is that although they are less advantaged, they are still proud, and many won’t take handouts well.

there needs to be a system to catch these kids prior to their leaving the school system – maybe a “raffle” prize of a new uniform, and other gear, kept on their behalf by the club, thus preventing their lowlife parents for selling it for grog or other intoxicants…

Mr_Shab Mr_Shab 1:58 pm 22 Oct 08

BTW – Dexi, that would have the be the most torturous metaphor I’ve ever seen in my life. Bravo.

johnboy johnboy 1:57 pm 22 Oct 08

Peter you seem to be advocating for the current system of crappy detention.

Do you think that’s worked well?

Mr_Shab Mr_Shab 1:57 pm 22 Oct 08

Everybody chill…

caf – depriving a person of their liberty is punishment. Anything beyond that is (arguably) just torture, but I think the general consensus about the contents of the remand centre is what is getting people’s backs up.

TM (et al) – It’s sometimes hard not to see nice facilities in this situation as a non-deterrent (or even an incentive) to crime. That might even be so, but going the other way doesn’t seem to work either.

Fact of the matter is that prison, no matter how harsh, is pretty much never a deterrent to people who commit the kind of crimes that land them in prison. If this were the case, you’d have seen nil crime back in the days of “14 years transportation for nicking a pocket watch”, and very low crime rates in parts of the Southern US that have tent city prisons in the desert where they work on road gangs and have to wear pink uniforms.

If you’re looking for a result from sending people to prison, the best you can hope for is that whilst inside, a few might turn around and rehabilitate. This is a real problem, as their peer group in prison are all criminals (thus the reluctance of judges to put young people away).

The softly-softly, human rights-friendly approach is our latest attempt at trying to increase the rates of rehabilitation. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if it works when we compare rates of recidivism in about 5 years time to rates of recidivism today.

If the softly-softly, human rights-friendly approach does demonstrably reduce recidivism, then we might be onto something. If not; by all means rip out the basketball court and fill in the pool. But I’d like to see some evidence before I go one way or the other. I think it might be worth all of us bearing that in mind before we fall into the “Fascist vs. Softhead” namecalling that seems to inevitably result in these kinds of debates.

justbands justbands 1:53 pm 22 Oct 08

“you have to consider that for many of them, the cost of boots, uniforms and protective gear is far out of reach…”

Many junior sporting clubs (certainly all the ones I’ve been involved with) will offer assistance (waive rego fees, help with equipment costs, etc) for less advantaged kids.

peterh peterh 1:49 pm 22 Oct 08

Skidbladnir said :

(Yes peterh, I mean you)

(Riot Codergimp: Some kind of quoted:new text ratio could possibly work.)

thanks skid. Every time i edit a comment, everything goes to italics….

and for whatever reason, I just haven’t been using the preview button…

I will now.

Loose Brown Loose Brown 1:46 pm 22 Oct 08

“Teach a man to sell fish and he eats steak.”

Put a man in a remand centre with no alarm – ‘e escape!

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 1:43 pm 22 Oct 08

Offtopic, but I would encourage people to only quote the actually relevant parts of comments.
It saves reading time, means more people know what you’re actually referring to, and shows a bit of respect to a time-poor audience.
(Yes peterh, I mean you)

(Riot Codergimp: Some kind of quoted:new text ratio could possibly work.)

peterh peterh 1:37 pm 22 Oct 08

dexi said :

“stick and carrot is needed to help them off the dodgy path, but i think there is too much carrot, and not enough stick…”

Sticks are for breaking up and putting at the bottom of the compost heap for air. Compost is then placed on the garden by the child. Carrots are planted and thrive. Child eats carrots and feels full. What is left goes on the compost heap. Child sees and feels growth. Cycle of life as a demonstration.

Beat child with stick, then shove carrot in his face and tell him he cant have it because he is scum. Cycle of life in mans real world.

eh?
what?

I think you missed the point. They will be in a remand centre. They need to be rehabilitated. they don’t need luxuries that they certainly don’t have in the cold hard reality they come from. they need hope, they need passion to excel and drag themselves out of their personal hells. If we give them luxuries, why would they want to leave?

“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to sell fish and he eats steak.”

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 1:33 pm 22 Oct 08

Wow, ‘Gaylord’ – there’s a term I haven’t heard for a while! Let’s try to make it a bit smarter for RiotACT comments, however.

peterh peterh 1:30 pm 22 Oct 08

dexi said :

“having a pool, indoor sports and outdoor sports facilities is probably aimed at showing these kids a better life, “

I think they have access to all these facilities already in the “real world”. Its not showing a better life when its already in all our lives.

The luxuries that they don’t have in the “real world” are, good food, health, shelter and role models. Sport goes a long way to providing some of this. It probably is the most basic and cheapest way of doing it.

really? you don’t pay to go to the pool, do you? I do. if these kids are from a bad socioeconomic background, can they afford to go to the pool?

In regards to sport, who will they be playing against? each other. would you be keen to leave a facility that lets you play sport, socialise and generally have more fun than at home? not likely.

Sport is a good rehabilitation tool, but not from within a remand centre. The focus should be on getting the local clubs involved in getting to these kids prior to their descent into crime. Perhaps the local charities can organise member drives from within their organisations for eligible kids. you have to consider that for many of them, the cost of boots, uniforms and protective gear is far out of reach…

Why are there so many underage children committing these crimes? because no-one is paying any attention to them, providing facilities such as the “youth” centres, and skate parks.

Not much interest if you don’t want to loll around playing cards, or aren’t a skatie.

where are the programs to get these kids excited about their personal dreams, desires and futures?

bugger the parents. Lets start fixing these kids perspective of life. Remand centres won’t do it.

programs that were set up when i was younger like youth insearch and the open family foundation weren’t able to work miracles, but we did take the time to sit and listen to the kids, and i see several of them from time to time – they are now contributing members of society…

on the flip side, i have seen kids from the youth centres who have slipped further into drugs, crime and other activities that no child should have to be exposed to.

whoever wins the right to rule the ACT needs to look at addressing the problems these kids face. now.

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 1:23 pm 22 Oct 08

johnboy (RiotACT Gaylord) has spoken. Step back!

Thanks for the concern newbie – I’m sure I can handle myself (and JB). I also agree with Dan that your “gay” comments go beyond immature and I’d be a little more worried about your future on RA than mine.

@Peterh, I think you’ve summed what I’ve been harping on about perfectly. Well and eloquently put mate! Saving my attempts and risk of MOD – cheers!

wombat_stew wombat_stew 1:16 pm 22 Oct 08

Danman said :

Wombat Stew – the gay jokes have been pretty lame/old fashioned since …say…1995 – get with the times brother, like calling people nimbys and softheads (Thanks for that one bonfire)

Look, if you’re johnboy’s lover that’s fine. I don’t have anything against gays. In fact I have a thing for Woody Mann-Caruso, but apparently he’s with Ralph now?

dexi dexi 1:15 pm 22 Oct 08

“stick and carrot is needed to help them off the dodgy path, but i think there is too much carrot, and not enough stick…”

Sticks are for breaking up and putting at the bottom of the compost heap for air. Compost is then placed on the garden by the child. Carrots are planted and thrive. Child eats carrots and feels full. What is left goes on the compost heap. Child sees and feels growth. Cycle of life as a demonstration.

Beat child with stick, then shove carrot in his face and tell him he cant have it because he is scum. Cycle of life in mans real world.

Danman Danman 1:09 pm 22 Oct 08

Wombat Stew – the gay jokes have been pretty lame/old fashioned since …say…1995 – get with the times brother, like calling people nimbys and softheads (Thanks for that one bonfire)

dexi dexi 1:03 pm 22 Oct 08

“having a pool, indoor sports and outdoor sports facilities is probably aimed at showing these kids a better life, “

I think they have access to all these facilities already in the “real world”. Its not showing a better life when its already in all our lives.

The luxuries that they don’t have in the “real world” are, good food, health, shelter and role models. Sport goes a long way to providing some of this. It probably is the most basic and cheapest way of doing it.

wombat_stew wombat_stew 1:02 pm 22 Oct 08

johnboy said :

Put a sock in it TM or I will.

johnboy (RiotACT Gaylord) has spoken. Step back!

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 1:01 pm 22 Oct 08

having a pool, indoor sports and outdoor sports facilities is probably aimed at showing these kids a better life, but it won’t be a motivator, it will, in fact, be a negative impact for them. providing them with a safe, secure rehabilitation environment is far better than showering them with luxuries that they don’t have back in the real world. stick and carrot is needed to help them off the dodgy path, but i think there is too much carrot, and not enough stick…

Well said. Too many people generally seem to think that having ‘stuff’ makes people happy and well adjusted, when just the opposite is true.

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