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Police Wrap – 21 October

By johnboy 21 October 2008 49

1. 16 year old charged with ram raiding!

    Detectives from ACT Policing’s Territory Investigations Group Property Crime team arrested a juvenile male of Hughes, on multiple charges yesterday (October, 20).

    The 16-year-old alleged offender was arrested in relation to a ram-raid, aggravated burglaries, stolen motor vehicles and police pursuits, after handing himself into police.

    He was charged with ride/drive motor vehicle without consent, unlicensed driving, aggravated burglary and theft. He was bailed from the Regional Watch House at City Station to appear in the ACT Children’s Court on Thursday, October 30, 2008.

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peterh 2:09 pm 22 Oct 08

sorry, 3-post, I meant future, not fture.

peterh 2:08 pm 22 Oct 08

johnboy said :

Peter you seem to be advocating for the current system of crappy detention.

Do you think that’s worked well?

JB, no, i don’t. But there needs to be more emphasis on helping these kids get a great future, rather than spend their lives in a spiral of misery. Quamby was a joke, crims and citizens alike agreed.

a new squeaky clean centre with new approaches is ideal, compared to the dark old facility that quamby was. I just feel that there needs to be more focus on rehab, and positive steps to get these kids a decent fture….

peterh 2:00 pm 22 Oct 08

justbands said :

Many junior sporting clubs (certainly all the ones I’ve been involved with) will offer assistance (waive rego fees, help with equipment costs, etc) for less advantaged kids.

the problem is that although they are less advantaged, they are still proud, and many won’t take handouts well.

there needs to be a system to catch these kids prior to their leaving the school system – maybe a “raffle” prize of a new uniform, and other gear, kept on their behalf by the club, thus preventing their lowlife parents for selling it for grog or other intoxicants…

Mr_Shab 1:58 pm 22 Oct 08

BTW – Dexi, that would have the be the most torturous metaphor I’ve ever seen in my life. Bravo.

johnboy 1:57 pm 22 Oct 08

Peter you seem to be advocating for the current system of crappy detention.

Do you think that’s worked well?

Mr_Shab 1:57 pm 22 Oct 08

Everybody chill…

caf – depriving a person of their liberty is punishment. Anything beyond that is (arguably) just torture, but I think the general consensus about the contents of the remand centre is what is getting people’s backs up.

TM (et al) – It’s sometimes hard not to see nice facilities in this situation as a non-deterrent (or even an incentive) to crime. That might even be so, but going the other way doesn’t seem to work either.

Fact of the matter is that prison, no matter how harsh, is pretty much never a deterrent to people who commit the kind of crimes that land them in prison. If this were the case, you’d have seen nil crime back in the days of “14 years transportation for nicking a pocket watch”, and very low crime rates in parts of the Southern US that have tent city prisons in the desert where they work on road gangs and have to wear pink uniforms.

If you’re looking for a result from sending people to prison, the best you can hope for is that whilst inside, a few might turn around and rehabilitate. This is a real problem, as their peer group in prison are all criminals (thus the reluctance of judges to put young people away).

The softly-softly, human rights-friendly approach is our latest attempt at trying to increase the rates of rehabilitation. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if it works when we compare rates of recidivism in about 5 years time to rates of recidivism today.

If the softly-softly, human rights-friendly approach does demonstrably reduce recidivism, then we might be onto something. If not; by all means rip out the basketball court and fill in the pool. But I’d like to see some evidence before I go one way or the other. I think it might be worth all of us bearing that in mind before we fall into the “Fascist vs. Softhead” namecalling that seems to inevitably result in these kinds of debates.

justbands 1:53 pm 22 Oct 08

“you have to consider that for many of them, the cost of boots, uniforms and protective gear is far out of reach…”

Many junior sporting clubs (certainly all the ones I’ve been involved with) will offer assistance (waive rego fees, help with equipment costs, etc) for less advantaged kids.

peterh 1:49 pm 22 Oct 08

Skidbladnir said :

(Yes peterh, I mean you)

(Riot Codergimp: Some kind of quoted:new text ratio could possibly work.)

thanks skid. Every time i edit a comment, everything goes to italics….

and for whatever reason, I just haven’t been using the preview button…

I will now.

Loose Brown 1:46 pm 22 Oct 08

“Teach a man to sell fish and he eats steak.”

Put a man in a remand centre with no alarm – ‘e escape!

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