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By johnboy 28 September 2010 35

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Anyone who operates at all in the public sphere has to put up single issue nuts, blinkered and monomaniacal looking to do, without conscious thought, great evil in pursuit of some small narrow good of interest to them.

On September 23 The Minister for Planning Andrew Barr had a private little vent on his Facebook page, without naming names.

I saw it go up, figured he’d had a bad day, and left it at that.

But the Canberra Times today has the Dickson Residents Group in high dudgeon.

Dickson Residents Group spokeswoman Marie Coleman said yesterday that Mr Barr had misrepresented the views of the group.

”One of the main purposes of the DRG is to start a serious and respectful conversation amongst Dickson residents, the Government, and ACTPLA as well as other groups who have an interest in planning and development across the suburb,” MsColeman said.

This town desperately needs more dwellings. There are huge numbers of people who do want to live in one and two bed units.

I grew up in Dickson and I’m with Andrew Barr on this one.

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sepi 8:59 pm 29 Sep 10

I thought Clancies was a going concern when it was closed down, despite minimal attention from the owner. I also heard on the grapevine years ago that the owner of Canberry Fair openly admitted he was not going to maintain any of the buildings.

With all the people of gungahlin just up the road, Canberry Fair and Clancies could have been lovely, with the cute buildings and grassy hills. The much tackier concrete village Gold Creek in Nicholls does amazingly well.

Of course people need houses, but people also need local shops and entertainment. I just don’t agree that every last bit of dickson, downer and watson should be turned into units, with all those people driving to the Canberra Centre every day for movies and shopping.

Drive-ins are making a comeback in other towns – ours won’t be back though!

p1 7:43 pm 29 Sep 10

Sorry, screwed up the tags pretty badly. Stupid iPad.

p1 7:42 pm 29 Sep 10

30january1649 said :

P1 said: “If a business is not viable it should go broke, then the land would become available to another business. The land should *NOT* be rezoned. The owner should have to sell it based on it being used for some community benefiting purpose.

At the very least, if no one can make a go at it, the government should buy it back at it’s community/recreational use value, then they could reap the financial gain of a rezoning.”

Cool let’s leave Canberry Fair/Australia Park and Clancy’s rotting out there waiting for yet another attempt by an operator. Let’s go sit in the drive in and look at the blank screen (or state sponsored films perhaps?)

Do you seriously want to pay tax to run rusting hulks that no one wants to use when it could go to stuff that matters?

No, that isn’t ideal. On the other hand, I kinda hate it when a commercial site sits vacant for the minimal period necessary, then is rezoned and rebuilt as apartments. I am all for urban infill, but I don’t see urban infill as being a process where all non-residential space is converted to medium density. That process ups the density while decreasing the density of services. While population density increases, it should become easier to run entertainment and service businesses. So those sites might be needed again.

Seriously – the place has to change. People are living on one of those sites and will live on the other.

Canberra is a much better town now – cos its bigger with more people – than when i came here more than 20 years ago.

30january1649 6:57 pm 29 Sep 10

P1 said: “If a business is not viable it should go broke, then the land would become available to another business. The land should *NOT* be rezoned. The owner should have to sell it based on it being used for some community benefiting purpose.

At the very least, if no one can make a go at it, the government should buy it back at it’s community/recreational use value, then they could reap the financial gain of a rezoning.”

Cool let’s leave Canberry Fair/Australia Park and Clancy’s rotting out there waiting for yet another attempt by an operator. Let’s go sit in the drive in and look at the blank screen (or state sponsored films perhaps?)

Do you seriously want to pay tax to run rusting hulks that no one wants to use when it could go to stuff that matters?

Seriously – the place has to change. People are living on one of those sites and will live on the other.

Canberra is a much better town now – cos its bigger with more people – than when i came here more than 20 years ago.

Ryoma 12:46 pm 29 Sep 10

Hi all

Thank you for all the feedback on my comments. I was trying to be balanced in what I said, and to point out what I saw as driving the current pressures facing the city.

@Trainee Diplomat, Freddyp, and damien haas – thanks ;D
And damien, I agree with what you say about Molonglo, we seem to be repeating mistakes made at Gungahlin.

@nhand42 – It’s also good to hear an opposing point of view, and on reflection, I think you have a point. I don’t think it’s completely black and white, but my original post reads like that now I’ve had a good night’s sleep (blush). I would say, however, that there is some danger of the things I mention happening – and that the ACT Government is in fact awake to it.

I think our demographics are about to shift in a way we haven’t seen before. Compared to the prior 80 years, our family sizes and fertility rates are much lower, and within 5 years we will see large numbers of retiring public servants, due to the 55/11 rule. Lifestyles have also changed, so we now have far fewer people per household than previously, but we appear to need more space per person.

Much of Canberra (and Australia’s) growth is predicated on the idea that immigrants will continue to pour in here. However, given the current signals our nation sends about refugees, and what appears in some regions of Australia to be a “we’re full” attitude, can we assume that migrants of any sort will feel welcome here?

Further to this, many countries around the world are currently trying to devalue their currencies to maintain a competitive edge. If this behaviour doesn’t look like what happened in the 1930’s, then what does? My point here is that we cannot simply assume that growth will continue forever – with consequences for immigration if it doesn’t.
There may come a day soon when the standards of living and job opportunities are better for foreign students elsewhere, and the standards of living higher, than what Australia offers.

I read something about Wagga Wagga the other day – stating that by 2026, 20% of its population will be over 65. If even half of that group need care of various levels, that’s around 10,000 people out of an estimated population of 70,000. If the percentage level for Canberra is similar (and I’m not sure if that’s true), we are looking at a need for maybe 40,000 aged care beds and the like. At present, that industry (nationwide) is not building new facilities because the returns are not there.

So,what would Canberra look like if we needed to find that many beds? Many older Canberrans would (understandably) wish to continue living in their own homes. But is this viable in many cases – are Canberra properties built to a standard that allows for reduced mobiility? What happens in those suburbs where the shops are too far away for people with reduced mobility to walk to?

And then I come back to my original point – where do we find the staff to help to look after 40,000 aged care patients? Would not providing higher density housing help to kill two birds with one stone? It would allow aged care units to be built close to facilities, and possibly for staff to live within walking distance of work as well.

I agree with you that our current policies are failing in many ways, and that developers have a lot to answer for. Having said that, part of the problem is that the regulations encourage them to build down to a price, rather than with a holistic approach – and the zoning appears to be piecemeal rather than broad-based.

@sepi – I agree, I don’t necessarily want wall-to-wall apartments either, especially if they are poorly built and oriented. I would like to see houses with heritgae value protected, and (maybe) to make it easier to build renovations and granny flats, etc, that make better use of existing land.

One example of good urban design is the New Acton precinct. Unfortunately it’s far too expensive for most people, but they have tried to design the land to allow for a mosiac of uses (residential, retail and offices) on the one site.To me, this is what the city needs more of – it would mean that other new developments do not simply bulldoze existing amenities but complement them.

@KB1971 – I love Canberra too, for many of the same reasons you mention. I’ve been here a few years, and don’t want to leave, which is why I am passionate about the city’s future. I definitely do NOT want us to become too much like Sydney and Melbourne. I like the fact that we have leafy,tree-lined streets, and I like some of the older housing. I REALLY like the Melbourne and Sydney buildings, as well as Albert Hall, and wish we had more new buildings of their level of character. I agree, too, that some cities elsewhere are dismally planned.

I’ve also heard the people who whine about Canberra, and my (initial) attitude to them is often, “why don’t you go home then?”. But it is often these people with their skills and ideas we are losing, so while I may not agree with them, I feel I should at least listen to their point of view.

As for your suggestion of “Canberra is what you make of it” – spot on. If I didn’t care, I wouldn’t be typing this stuff to see what I can help to make of Canberra 😉

But there are parts of Canberra that are pretty boring, where the houses do not vary much, and do not add to the city’s style. All I am suggesting is that we need to balance the various demands on our city – trying to keep what we hold dear, and letting go of what limits our ability to improve things.

As for ACTION, I catch it daily. Because I live along one of the trunk routes, I find it really good. But off the trunk routes, it’s often not convenient, and very slow (try getting a direct bus between Belconnen and Gungahlin that takes less than 45 minutes).

If we could build light rail in various places, I think the housing market would respond to that rapidly with both higher land values and higher density.

Jim Jones 11:13 am 29 Sep 10

sepi said :

Jim – I think you’d be surprise just how many units are being built all through Dickson. I was amazed when I went through the back streets this year. It has totally changed in only a couple of years.

I’m aware that it’s becoming quite built up, and I think it’s a good thing. Dickson is a great area for high density: lots of restaurants and cafes, not too far from the city. Further development around the area would probably see the area become even more of a cosmopolitan hub, who knows, perhaps even with a lively nightlife. The place has got a good feel and only gets more lively with development (properly done, of course)

Much better to have high density development take place in centres like Dickson, Belconnen and Civic than to move it to more solely ‘suburban’ areas without the services to support it.

Complaining about increased density in areas like this isn’t much more than pissing into the wind IMHO.

Without change we shrivel and die.

sepi 10:40 am 29 Sep 10

Jim – I think you’d be surprise just how many units are being built all through Dickson. I was amazed when I went through the back streets this year. It has totally changed in only a couple of years.

KB1971 10:30 am 29 Sep 10

p1 said :

KB1971 said :

With regards to public transport, Action buses do a pretty good job considering the distances that they have to travel.

Most of your post is at least partly valid. I disagree with this bit whole heartedly. Not saying I could run it any better, just say’in.

See for me it works well, 40 minutes in the morning & arv on the express & I can take my bike on the 3 series if i want. Its convenient for me but I do realise that if i worked in Fyshwick it would be inconvenient.

I am not sure any public transport is totally convenient in any city in OZ.

I realise most of my post is not valid to the OP but I had to have a say about Ryoma’s post, I just could not let it lie. 🙂

Jim Jones 10:18 am 29 Sep 10

KB1971 said :

Give me leafy Canberra anyday.

I was unaware that building some one-bedroom units in Dickson would make all the trees die.

p1 9:28 am 29 Sep 10

KB1971 said :

With regards to public transport, Action buses do a pretty good job considering the distances that they have to travel.

Most of your post is at least partly valid. I disagree with this bit whole heartedly. Not saying I could run it any better, just say’in.

p1 9:21 am 29 Sep 10

30january1649 said :

So all we need is a mechanism to force businesses to stay viable…Da Comrade!…The Russians kinda made it work…between 1922 and 1991 – but gee a lot of people got shot or starved.

If a business is not viable it should go broke, then the land would become available to another business. The land should *NOT* be rezoned. The owner should have to sell it based on it being used for some community benefiting purpose.

At the very least, if no one can make a go at it, the government should buy it back at it’s community/recreational use value, then they could reap the financial gain of a rezoning.

KB1971 9:17 am 29 Sep 10

Ryoma, so of your points are valid but I ask this, why must Canberra change for young people?

I moved here at the age of 20 (now 39) & I have loved it. Canberra had good nightlife then & I have made the best of what the place has to offer, cyling, fishing, 4wd’ing, motorcycling, camping, snow, close to the coast & now a career in the Aust Government. We live in an outdoors playground with pretty good employment prospects.

We have a few guys here at work who hate the place, all middle aged, they have only been here a bit over 5 years & come from larger cities (2 from Melbourne). My god do they go on about how stale the place is & how boring, nothing to do, the public service is crap blah, blah.

CANBERRA IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT & why does it have to be the same as Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane ect. Isnt that a tad boring??

As stated in other threads the building industry has a hold on the Government with regards to planning & they are getting rich from it.

With regards to public transport, Action buses do a pretty good job considering the distances that they have to travel (I personally travel 30km) & the local shopping centre is only 2km walk from my home. This should be no problem for any able bodied “young” person.

I personally like the planning in Canberra, I have mixed emotions of urban infill as it goes against the original plan of the city, we need medium density housing & its a shame that the inner suburbs ar succumbing to it.

I am often amazed at the piss poor planning of other cities where schools are next to industial areas that are next to residential areas in the same suburb.

Give me leafy Canberra anyday.

30january1649 8:31 am 29 Sep 10

So all we need is a mechanism to force businesses to stay viable…Da Comrade!…The Russians kinda made it work…between 1922 and 1991 – but gee a lot of people got shot or starved.

    johnboy 8:36 am 29 Sep 10

    No, we need to revoke the leases when owners choose not to stick to their lease purpose and let someone else have a go.

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