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Skippy lovers keep the cull in court

By johnboy - 12 June 2013 43

TAMS brings word that their cull remains tied up in the Following an ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal (ACAT) hearing today, Territory and Municipal and won’t be heard until mid July.

Following an ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal (ACAT) hearing today, Territory and Municipal Services will delay the commencement of the conservation cull. This is to allow time for the Tribunal to consider the merits of the Conservator’s decision to issue licences to Territory and Municipal Services for the purposes of undertaking a conservation cull of 1455 eastern grey kangaroos at seven reserves.

“It is important to understand that the outcome today was not about the science that supports the conservation cull,” said Daniel Iglesias, Director, ACT Parks and Conservation.

“The finding today established that the parties have standing for the Tribunal to hear the case for and against the issuing of the licences to undertake the conservation cull. The next hearing will be held on 8 and 9 July 2013.

With a pretty tight window to conduct the cull all the protestors need to do now is keep it in front of the tribunal.

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43 Responses to
Skippy lovers keep the cull in court
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jase! 6:24 pm
12 Jun 13
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facepalm

if my car hits one of the skippys that was due for a high velocity lead injection can I sue this annoying bunch of victorian blow ins?

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Antagonist 6:58 pm
12 Jun 13
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Using the slow beat of the bureacratic drum to beat the bureacracy. Genius tactics :)

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FreddyVegan 7:41 pm
12 Jun 13
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FANTASTIC NEWS!

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Pork Hunt 9:33 pm
12 Jun 13
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FreddyVegan said :

FANTASTIC NEWS!

Why don’t you people protest every burn off. Surely innocent critters die in the flames…

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Aeek 9:39 pm
12 Jun 13
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Yes, animals devastating the environment then dying of starvation is so good if YOU ARE EVIL

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 10:39 pm
12 Jun 13
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FreddyVegan said :

FANTASTIC NEWS!

Why are you so happy for roos to breed more than is sustainable then either die slowly from starvation or wander into the suburbs and get killed by cars or dogs?

Freddy vegan, do you enjoy seeing a poor roo with a broken body doing slow spasms in a pool of blood on the side of the road?

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bundah 11:01 pm
12 Jun 13
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Honey will you dust off the AK-47 coz I got me some cullin’ to do and it ain’t roos this time :)

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c_c™ 11:08 pm
12 Jun 13
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FreddyVegan said :

FANTASTIC NEWS!

A wonderful example of ideological dementia.

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IrishPete 11:11 pm
12 Jun 13
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I seem to have inadvertently missed the use by date of the other thread, so I’ll restate my comments here:

“What I love most (not) about the kangaroo cull (aka the roo massacre) is that it comes around every year, just like Christmas. In fact it is Groundhog Day all over again, but with added bullets.

Every year everyone trots out the same tired old arguments for the cull, and the same tired old arguments against the cull. Frankly, none of them are particularly credible. The ACT Government’s “science” and concern for grass and little critters is a little undermined by the ongoing bulldozer of development and human population growth (and their preference for spending money on bullets over controlling weeds, as eloquently pointed out by an earlier poster).

Yet the animal rights folks’ arguments are undermined by their general, err, sorry, nuttiness.

Perhaps one day someone will make an honest objective assessment of the situation. I had kinda hoped that ShaneR would, but perhaps next year.

For this year, vale Skippy, I hope you are reincarnated as something more protected, or bulletproof – or maybe as a bullbar.

IP

Obviously the last sentence is a little out of date now, or premature at least…

IP

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Diggety 12:54 am
13 Jun 13
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IrishPete said :

I seem to have inadvertently missed the use by date of the other thread, so I’ll restate my comments here:

“What I love most (not) about the kangaroo cull (aka the roo massacre) is that it comes around every year, just like Christmas. In fact it is Groundhog Day all over again, but with added bullets.

Every year everyone trots out the same tired old arguments for the cull, and the same tired old arguments against the cull. Frankly, none of them are particularly credible. The ACT Government’s “science” and concern for grass and little critters is a little undermined by the ongoing bulldozer of development and human population growth (and their preference for spending money on bullets over controlling weeds, as eloquently pointed out by an earlier poster).

Yet the animal rights folks’ arguments are undermined by their general, err, sorry, nuttiness.

Perhaps one day someone will make an honest objective assessment of the situation. I had kinda hoped that ShaneR would, but perhaps next year.

For this year, vale Skippy, I hope you are reincarnated as something more protected, or bulletproof – or maybe as a bullbar.

IP

Obviously the last sentence is a little out of date now, or premature at least…

IP

Why do you place the ACT Governments science in inverted commas, IP?

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Roundhead89 1:15 am
13 Jun 13
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FreddyVegan said :

FANTASTIC NEWS!

Certainly fantastic news for the manufacturers of Shu-Roo and the auto-electric shop in Phillip because I’ve just been on the phone getting a quote.

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MrBigEars 8:23 am
13 Jun 13
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IrishPete said :

I seem to have inadvertently missed the use by date of the other thread, so I’ll restate my comments here:

“What I love most (not) about the kangaroo cull (aka the roo massacre) is that it comes around every year, just like Christmas. In fact it is Groundhog Day all over again, but with added bullets.

Every year everyone trots out the same tired old arguments for the cull, and the same tired old arguments against the cull. Frankly, none of them are particularly credible. The ACT Government’s “science” and concern for grass and little critters is a little undermined by the ongoing bulldozer of development and human population growth (and their preference for spending money on bullets over controlling weeds, as eloquently pointed out by an earlier poster).

Yet the animal rights folks’ arguments are undermined by their general, err, sorry, nuttiness.

Perhaps one day someone will make an honest objective assessment of the situation. I had kinda hoped that ShaneR would, but perhaps next year.

For this year, vale Skippy, I hope you are reincarnated as something more protected, or bulletproof – or maybe as a bullbar.

IP

Obviously the last sentence is a little out of date now, or premature at least…

IP

I’m curious as to what part of the ‘science’ you don’t agree with, because if you don’t like it because it doesn’t give you the answer you agree with, then you probably won’t like any assessment that doesn’t agree, either. If you don’t like the science, you do more science. You don’t wave you hands in the air and say “I saw some grass once, everything is fine.”

Maybe you do, it has certainly worked for climate change deniers. Maybe scientists need a lobby group.

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tim_c 11:11 am
13 Jun 13
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Roundhead89 said :

Certainly fantastic news for the manufacturers of Shu-Roo and the auto-electric shop in Phillip because I’ve just been on the phone getting a quote.

I wouldn’t bother – most people I’ve heard from didn’t bother to replace their Shu-Roo after the first installation was destroyed by a kangaroo strike. I drove for a coach company that trialed a Shu-Roo on one of their coaches – I never had so many kangaroos jump in front of me before or since, and it was almost invariably when I was driving that coach, with the Shu-Roo switched on.

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Antagonist 12:58 pm
13 Jun 13
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IrishPete said :

Every year everyone trots out the same tired old arguments for the cull, and the same tired old arguments against the cull. Frankly, none of them are particularly credible. The ACT Government’s “science” and concern for grass and little critters is a little undermined by the ongoing bulldozer of development and human population growth (and their preference for spending money on bullets over controlling weeds, as eloquently pointed out by an earlier poster).

As an environmental scientist myself, I would love to hear your credible version of the ACT Government’s “science”.

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IrishPete 4:59 pm
13 Jun 13
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Re: science – there are a few reasons i am dubious.

Firstly, I have worked in other areas of the ACT government and have never seen anyone do any research, or use research findings knowledgeably. I have seen research commissioned which was rubbish design and, not surprisingly came up with rubbish findings. The ACT government is probably too small, or at least its potential researchers are distributed too widely around different small departments, to do any better than that.

Secondly, there are a number of non-nutty objectors out there who have credible criticisms of the population counts. I am not expert enough to judge for myself, so i’m going to give them a little bit of credence. This is not like climate change, where it’s about 99% to 1% and the qualifications of many of the one percent are barely relevant.

Thirdly, no objective research on threatened plants and little criters could possibly rank kangaroos as a greater threat than human population (particularly the inexorable expansion of suburbs) and intoruduced anmals and plants (sheep, cattle, rabbits, foxes). Credible research needs to examine the cost effectivness of different options – would 200k per year be more effective in protecting plants and critters by being spent on weed control, rabbit control, getting rid of sheep or issuing free condoms? Does shooting kangaroos just give the rabbit population a free kick?

If someone would like to point me to the research that addresses these questions, i am happy to read it. In the meantime i remain supicious that kangaroos are the easy targets (pun intended) because they jump in front of cars, so many people will support something they think may make driving safer and reduce their insurance or uninsured costs.

IP

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