Carbon Neutral Election Campaign

BeyondThought 11 September 2007 38

Reading the post on the Sustainable Cities Forum I saw that Troy Williams, the Liberal dude in Fraser, announced that his campaign was to be carbon neutral. I checked online and can’t find a precident anywhere, is this a first?

I was surprised it was a Liberal and also that I haven’t read about it elsewhere.

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38 Responses to Carbon Neutral Election Campaign
barney barney 5:58 pm 14 Sep 07


caf caf 4:18 pm 14 Sep 07

I would suggest that India’s relatively poor progress until recently has more to do with two things – their policy of “non-alignment” during the cold war; and their bitter internal divisions leading to the secession of Pakistan/Bangladesh – rather than the fact that they’re not whiteys.

Maelinar Maelinar 2:13 pm 14 Sep 07

ahh populous… they don’t make games like that anymore…

Ralph Ralph 1:14 pm 14 Sep 07

The key there is that it had a large populous of anglos of British origin.

It’s the ones left with largely ethnic populations that haven’t fared so well.

caf caf 1:09 pm 14 Sep 07

A little country called the USA eventually did OK for itself after kicking Britain out.

Thumper Thumper 1:02 pm 14 Sep 07

Blame the Dutch for buggering off and leaving the place to it’s own devices…

Ralph Ralph 12:49 pm 14 Sep 07

Indeed. Actually those countries functioned well when the Brits were running the shop.

If India hadn’t have kicked Britain out they would be as developed as us.

caf caf 12:42 pm 14 Sep 07

You must be quite disappointed that you weren’t around in the glory days of the Empire.

Ralph Ralph 12:30 pm 14 Sep 07

The geopolitical consequences are vastly different, jemmy. There’s a difference between a violent dictator, Saddam Hussein, with lots of oil, seeking to stir up a hornest nest in an already volatile part of the world. That has global ramifications. East Timor and West Papua don’t.

The main reason we get in and kicked the Indonesians out of East Timor is because we didn’t want these people clammering onto rickety boats and heading for Darwin.

Policy successful.

It is in our interests to placate the 250 million islamics north of Darwin. How would you like it if they had their own version of the Ayotollah running the shop?

Australia has no moral obligation to West Papua, it is an Indonesian province. The problems Indonesia are having with the natives in that province are for them to sort out, not us.

Personally I think we should be running East Timor, and taking all their oil revenues. If we were running the show they would have world class hospitals by now, schools, roads, sanitation.

That country is just floundering on its own.

jemmy jemmy 12:01 pm 14 Sep 07

Well, I applaude the guy for having the guts to stump up his own money to advertise about West Papua and Timor. At least you can’t accuse him of being hypocritical.

The point he’s making, which is true by the way, is that Howard supported invading a country to remove a genocidal dictator, yet the Australian Govt did nothing to prevent similar actions in our region to neighbours that historically we have very strong ties with and have a duty of care to. In fact, we actively tried to suppress publicity of it by refusing visas etc. Although it wasn’t Howard who was in power then, the link is that he won’t provide government support to pressure Indonesia. Diplomatically, our view is that it is better to let sleeping dogs lie and engage with Indonesia, presumably so that some of our superior whitey morality rubs of on them.

The thing that really takes the cake is that part of our engagement with Indonesia is that we are training the murderous Kopassas how to be even more efficient in their murdering.

The guy’s ad campaign is to highlight the hypocrisy of the Aust Govt intervening in one case, but not intervening in a regionally closer one when one could argue our moral obligation is greater. Of course the diplomatic cost would be much greater, and I suppose his argument is that moral obligation supersedes diplomatic cost. I’m not sure I agree, but there you are.

No, I am not a fan of Indonesia, and it’s unfortunate our geography requires us to have anything to do with them.

VYBerlinaV8 now_with_added grunt VYBerlinaV8 now_with_added grunt 11:51 am 14 Sep 07

Curry with chilli and ginger, over wholemeal rice.

Yeah baby.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 11:39 am 14 Sep 07

VY and Thumper – although cows do exhale CO2 as we all do, it is the methane (CH4) that they burp/fart that is why cows are of concern – weight for weight methane is 21 times more damaging than CO2, and cows do generate a hell of a lot of it…
BUT I’m sure our various partners would probably argue that our own methane generation would rival the average cow… 🙂

Thumper Thumper 11:23 am 14 Sep 07

Cows with guns driving Hummers are harmful to the world…

VYBerlinaV8 now_with_added grunt VYBerlinaV8 now_with_added grunt 11:02 am 14 Sep 07

Most cows generate more carbon dioxide than most cars. I thinkwe should solve the problem by eating more cows.

Also, exercise, including cycling, should be banned, as burning body fat releases the stored carbon in the fat molecules into the atmosphere.

I have no problem with doing your bit to help, but please remember that by feeling warm and fuzzy about turning off a light, your are NOT saving the world.

Now, I’m off to do some burnouts…

barking toad barking toad 10:09 am 13 Sep 07

Any candidate who spouts the “carbon-neutral” mantra deserves to be last X on the ballot paper. Or next last after any green candidate.

The whole concept is a great big tree hugging hippie piece of crap.

These self appointed life style managers could best demonstrate their commitment to their cause by ceasing to breathe.

Ralph Ralph 8:23 am 13 Sep 07

Yeah I heard that garbage on 2CC the other day as well, claiming that George Bush and John Howard are terrorists or something, and Indonesia ra ra ra ra ra

Leftist pap.

Thumper Thumper 8:05 am 13 Sep 07

Speaking of elections, what’s with all this Australia should invade West Papua crap that’s being advertised on the TV?

Okay, it doesn’t actually say that, but the ad itself is very liberal with the facts, ie, blaming John Howard and Bush for the deaths of the Balibo Five?

Maelinar Maelinar 12:46 pm 12 Sep 07

I’ve drunk worse.

Common Survival knowledge dictates that a human without water can only survive for 2 weeks, but a human with Giardia, etc can survive indefinetly, albeit uncomfortably.

Although that’s not the point is it ?

The ACT Government is more than capable of treating the water, nor is it on record for ever requiring the population to drink any untreated water at all.

For the record, I’ve just returned from an overseas location where I was required to drink untreated water for a week and a half, and surprisingly, I still feel ok.

Mr Evil Mr Evil 12:32 pm 12 Sep 07

Beer makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

Thumper Thumper 11:51 am 12 Sep 07

I got typhoid once from swimming in Lake Ginninderra…

Okay, may be a small rash…

Would you believe water in my ear?

I got better…..

Anyway, carbon neutral makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

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