15 February 2009

I don't want to lose my licence.

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I got booked in Yass just after new years going +15km/h over the speed limit. Fair enough, but i can’t believe the copper didn’t pull over the 4wd porsche going the same speed next to me, which had tinted windows and probably 6 tonnes of coke and pills. I also felt like the biggest asshole too because the 400 people I overtook got to see me cry and probably all felt so smug about themselves.

But anyway, at the time i was told that i’d just have to pay the $243 fine and i wouldn’t lose any demerit points because I had an ACT licence and got booked in NSW and for some reason the demerit points don’t get carried over. Which is good because it was double demerit points at the time.

I was happy until now when I just opened a letter from the NSW government telling me that my fine is overdue (not anymore) and that the offence carries 6 demerit points. I’m still on my P’s.. so if this letter from the government isn’t lying to me then i’ve lost my licence for 6 months AND THAT SUCKS A BIG FAT

Driving is the only alone time I have and its my favourite part of the day. Is there anything I can do?

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necrocelia said :

haha probably not but all i wanted to know is whether or not i lost my licence and to have so many people try and tell you the same thing over and over again about how you fucked up and need to deal with the consequences. I ALREADY KNOW. I ALREADY KNOW, I ALREADY KNOW.

To be honest, I bet you I haven’t lost my licence.

EVERYBODY SPEEDS SOMETIMES MOTHERF*CKERS. And i can’t wait til you guys get booked too.

I feel you dude, same boat with a post I made

cross said :

As an ACT P plate holder you have the option of doing the Road ready course ( P off Course )which gives you an extra 4 points and you do not have to display P plates but if you have paid the fine I would get in quick.
http://www.roadready.act.gov.au/c/roadready?a=sp&pid=1098840049

My apologies further reading shows this
Due to traffic infringements, I have reached my demerit points allowance. If I do the P Off course before I pay the fine and receive a letter of suspension, will I get the increased 4 demerit points allowance (which is awarded upon completing the course) and be able to keep my licence? No, your licence conditions at the time of offence is noted and if your demerit points allowance at that time was 4 points, your licence will be suspended regardless of whether you attend the course or not. However, if you complete the course, your demerit points allowance will be increased to 8 points and the P plate can be removed from your vehicle when your suspension period is completed. The course can be undertaken during a suspension period as there are no practical driving components in the course.

For more information go to: http://www.roadready.act.gov.au

As an ACT P plate holder you have the option of doing the Road ready course ( P off Course )which gives you an extra 4 points and you do not have to display P plates but if you have paid the fine I would get in quick.
http://www.roadready.act.gov.au/c/roadready?a=sp&pid=1098840049

That Does suck a big one dude… but as far as I know you shouldn’t lose any demerit points for driving interstate.

I had a mate who was caught going 240km/h in NSW in a 110 zone, he didnt lose his licence because he didnt cop interstate demerits. In my opinion he should have, thats ridiculous speeding, but doing 15km over is no where near as big as that. So if the cops are giving you demerits but didn
‘t take my mates licence of him then the law is a joke. Also there is a 10% Leniancy… meaning you werent really exceeding the speed limit too dangerously if coppas are happy to let people travel at 109 on the hwy and not pull them over. Not surprised you got pulled over when a porche was going the same speed. Cops pick on P platers, when In reailty, why should the guy in the porche be any less of hazard than you, he might actually be a P Plater too and not be displaying his P’s. If an accident is going to happen its gonna happen, a P plater going the same speed as a full licenced driver (both speeding) there shuolnt be a difference as to who is pulled over, both are breaking the law and thats the end of the story.

Any comments on the red P’s and green P’s stuff, its irrelevant. You have ACT P’s, you can go the speed limit.

I would deffinatley be contesting this dude, I have heard of so many cases where friends were busted speeding in NSW and haven’t lost any demerits. More to the point, to coppa himself told you you wouldnt lose any points, thats fair evidence there. Maybe dont speed on double demerit weekends but 😛

In case anybody wants to know- I haven’t lost my licence.

I actually forgot to pay the fine, and then they sent me a letter saying that the fine was overdue that the offence carried 6 demerit points, but nothing about me losing my licence.

So.. hooray!

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy9:02 am 15 Jun 09

Let me get this right; you drive your V8 at or below the speed limit.

Sometimes…

Spideydog said :

BerraBoy68 said :

Not enough to waste an ambulance’s time but enough for my wife to drive to Canb. Hospital.

So if it’s not enough to waste an ambulance’s time, there is no need to speed. Is it reasonable to put other people lives at risk for something NOT life threatening ?? ONLY 10k’s over can mean the difference between a minor collision to a serious or even deadly collision.

Point taken Spidey, but do you have kids? When you’re driving a 4 year old to hospital, she has blood pouring, and I do mean loads of it, from her mouth, teeth dangling at various angles and she is screaming but unable to articulate what’s wrong, good luck at staying right on 60km/h. I’m actually surprised my wife was only doing 70km/h. There’s also a big difference in driving at 70 on Xmas day on a deserted major Canberra road and driving 10k over the limit through a school zone at 3pm on a weekday term.

As for calling an ambulance, it’s frequently a ‘line-call’, and I never fault anybody for whatever decision they take regarding getting a very sick person to hospital (or a women having a baby, etc. for that matter). Several years ago, my brother died of a brain hemorrhage when he was aged 17. My brother symptoms were a massive headache and feeling sick. We rang the emergency ‘on call’ Dr (they used to make house calls in those days) and he said it was likely to be just a migraine we were advised not to call an ambulance and he’d be over as soon as he could, but he had a more critical patient to attend to first. That person survived, my brother didn’t. Urgent care, an ambulance etc. wouldn’t have made a blind bit of difference in my brothers case but the other person survived because she got it.

I agree that we are lucky in the ACT to have average response times of 8 mins to calls for ambulances, but in Sydney and other places it can take up to 45 mins – long enough for it to be a matter of life and death or for you to end up having to deliver a baby by yourself.

In any circumstance a person is going to make the best judgement call they can, considering that they will be probably physically suffering from the emotional shock also, and this should really be taken into account.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Driving quickly, even if you have the vehicle and skill, is not a good idea.

Let me get this right; you drive your V8 at or below the speed limit.

So does my old mum – she only supercharged the big block in her Getz cos she likes the way it whines. I told her to log-on here and listen to what the law and order types have to say.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

1) If the person’s condition deteriorates en route, the ambos are better equipped to deal with the situation;
2) You get there quicker because an emergency vehicle under lights can run red lights if need be; and
3) You get taken directly out the back and are not typically subject to front office filtering.

Not to mention one ambulance officer is concentrating on driving, the other(s) are concentrating on the patient – it wouldn’t be easy when you’re trying to both drive and deal with a patient, let alone break road rules in the process.

circusmind said :

Spideydog said :

ONLY 10k’s over can mean the difference between a minor collision to a serious or even deadly collision.

I agree. In future I will be consistently driving 20km under the speed limit.

Sarcasm aside ….. what exactly did you mean by that comment ?

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy8:42 pm 14 Jun 09

Let’s not let this degenerate into another argument about driving technique.

Spideydog said :

ONLY 10k’s over can mean the difference between a minor collision to a serious or even deadly collision.

I agree. In future I will be consistently driving 20km under the speed limit.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy8:20 pm 14 Jun 09

My opinion is that if you are around a person who needs to be rushed to hospital, you call and ambulance.

There’s a few reasons for this:
1) If the person’s condition deteriorates en route, the ambos are better equipped to deal with the situation;
2) You get there quicker because an emergency vehicle under lights can run red lights if need be; and
3) You get taken directly out the back and are not typically subject to front office filtering.

Driving quickly, even if you have the vehicle and skill, is not a good idea.

BerraBoy68 said :

Not enough to waste an ambulance’s time but enough for my wife to drive to Canb. Hospital.

So if it’s not enough to waste an ambulance’s time, there is no need to speed. Is it reasonable to put other people lives at risk for something NOT life threatening ?? ONLY 10k’s over can mean the difference between a minor collision to a serious or even deadly collision.

You guys appealed and got a favourable outcome considering your wife’s driving history. Everyone is entitled to a caution I reckon, a long good driving history will be of benefit.

gazzalai said :

Mmm okay thanks for the help – and to all the people out there who say call an ambulance – when you’ve been in NSW for long enough, you will realise how long it takes for them to get to you, what is a 5 minute drive for me to the hospital (travelling at the speed limit) is a somewhat…10 minute drive for ambulances to get to my residence…

Lesson No. 1 Gazzalai is that if you think you didn’t deserve the fine, don’t be in such a rush to pay it. You are always allowed to appeal. Your written fine would have explained the various actions you could take. For the future, god forbid – you can also appeal if you don’t have the money to pay straight away as the whole consideration process takes time, allowing you a couple of weeks to save a few extra $.

For info: I appealed a similar offence on behalf of my wife in Jan. She drove our daughter to hospital on Xmas day. My Daughter fell over and knocked out a few teeth, and as she was only 4 she wouldn’t calm down. We subsequently thought she may also have broken her jaw. Not enough to waste an ambulance’s time but enough for my wife to drive to Canb. Hospital and pick up a fine for exceeding the speed limit by only 10km/h (i.e. 70km/h in a 60 zone). A letter to the Commissioner saw the fine dropped. I would add, however, my wife also had clean driving for more than 20+ years and we advised the police she would happily accept a caution in lieu of the fine. SO I’m not sure if an appeal by yourself would have been as successful noting you’re only on your P’s.

Mmm okay thanks for the help – and to all the people out there who say call an ambulance – when you’ve been in NSW for long enough, you will realise how long it takes for them to get to you, what is a 5 minute drive for me to the hospital (travelling at the speed limit) is a somewhat…10 minute drive for ambulances to get to my residence…

Plus with an ambulance you’re getting medical care on the way to hospital if you need it.

Sands said :

I just think it’s a little harsh. If one of my family members needed to go to emergency, I’d be racing them to hospital (as safely as possible). It could be a panic response, but if that’s the *real* reason they’re speeding, I wouldn’t be arguing about <15 over to get to the ER.

The idea of racing seems a little, well, wrong. Panic response? If that’s the case then call an ambulance – that is what they are for isn’t it? Apparently ACTAS have excellent response times…

Ambulances are equipped with adequate warning devices, p-plate member of the public does not.
Ambulance drivers are trained and have more experience than p-plate member of the public.
Ambulance drivers have an exemption under the ARR, p-plate member of the public does not.

It is accepted by the public that they want an ambulance to do the conveying in an emergency situation, not a p-plate (or full licence holder for that matter) licence holder.

I think if people make the choice to take someone to hospital and speed in doing so, rather than call 000 and ask for ambulance attendance, they must accept that they MAY be pulled over and MAY receive a traffic infringement notice.

I just think it’s a little harsh. If one of my family members needed to go to emergency, I’d be racing them to hospital (as safely as possible). It could be a panic response, but if that’s the *real* reason they’re speeding, I wouldn’t be arguing about <15 over to get to the ER.

That’s why you don’t see too many P-plated Ambulances, I guess.

gazzalai said :

Just a question if anybody knows; I’m a P-plate driver (P1) and I was booked for going over 15km/h but under 30k in a 60k zone, rushing my grandma to the hospital which the cops couldn’t see as reasonable, so I copped a $243 fine. I paid that fine the same night, but reading through the NSW RTA site it says that apparently P1 drivers pre july 1 2009 have a $243 and 3 month licence suspension. It says; “P1 licence holders will have their licence suspended for at least 3 months for any speeding offence.” Does that mean on top of the fine I also lose my licence for 3 months, or if I pay the fine that I don’t have to lose my licence for 3 months, because I desperately need my car to take care of my grandma/work/school.
Any help would be appreciated?

Help? Umm ok, call 000 next time, stay on the phone to them until the ambulance arrives. Go to Court if you think you are harshly done by – it is your right after all.

Sands said :

Do Ambulances not go over the speed limit?

Would you prefer they didn’t?

Do Ambulances not go over the speed limit?

gazzalai said :

Just a question if anybody knows; I’m a P-plate driver (P1) and I was booked for going over 15km/h but under 30k in a 60k zone, rushing my grandma to the hospital which the cops couldn’t see as reasonable, so I copped a $243 fine. I paid that fine the same night, but reading through the NSW RTA site it says that apparently P1 drivers pre july 1 2009 have a $243 and 3 month licence suspension. It says; “P1 licence holders will have their licence suspended for at least 3 months for any speeding offence.” Does that mean on top of the fine I also lose my licence for 3 months, or if I pay the fine that I don’t have to lose my licence for 3 months, because I desperately need my car to take care of my grandma/work/school.
Any help would be appreciated?

You don’t have the right to put other people lives in danger to speed to the hospital, thats what an ambulance is for.

If you think it is reasonable, you have the avenue to pursue the matter at court.

i hope your grandma was as well looked after at the hospital as by her grandchild!

if the legislation reads ‘and‘ it means a conjunction, so both fine and loss of licence, i’m afraid… i am not sure if the ticket-giving copper needs also to tell you that you’ll be suspended; rekkun that’s the rta’s job.

but i’d be ringing the rta on monday and checking – you should probably also receive notification by mail, i’d imagine, so if this was a while ago, perhaps you didn’t get suspended..?

but i would sure check – wouldn’t want to be driving while cancelled! – but then contest the matter with a letter, maybe cc’ing your local member to let him[?] know what is going on and perhaps get some support. a document from the hospital and perhaps a reference from granny to accompany the letter might also help – you’ll need both if the matter goes any further, is for sure.

good luck.

..Oh and I should probably add into that post that the cops didn’t tell me anything about losing demerit points or suspending my licence, all the cop said to me was; “I’m giving you a penalty notice, just don’t speed again.” And left…And I didn’t actually find out about licence suspension till after I looked it up tonight to clarify how many demerit points I could possibly lose… So do I lose both demerit points/fine AND licence suspension?

Just a question if anybody knows; I’m a P-plate driver (P1) and I was booked for going over 15km/h but under 30k in a 60k zone, rushing my grandma to the hospital which the cops couldn’t see as reasonable, so I copped a $243 fine. I paid that fine the same night, but reading through the NSW RTA site it says that apparently P1 drivers pre july 1 2009 have a $243 and 3 month licence suspension. It says; “P1 licence holders will have their licence suspended for at least 3 months for any speeding offence.” Does that mean on top of the fine I also lose my licence for 3 months, or if I pay the fine that I don’t have to lose my licence for 3 months, because I desperately need my car to take care of my grandma/work/school.
Any help would be appreciated?

yianni said :

If the police were so far behind me, can they catch me speeding? He told me that if the camera caught me speeding excessively I would get an infringement notice and loose my license.

Yianni,

your use of the term ‘excessively’ makes you sound like you think that ‘average’ speeding is ok. Perhaps you should be a little less ‘loose’ with your licence if you want to keep it.

Sounds like you weren’t going very far, if you are that worried about the curfew that you are going to endanger yourself and your mates by speeding like that, maybe take one mate at a time, or get them a taxi. Driving in a panic can be much worse than driving drunk. Try and keep a level head and remember that cops are people too, if you are trying to do the right thing, they will generally let you off with a warning. Unless you are in QLD, then they will see where else they can screw you over…

Beserk Keyboard Warrior6:55 pm 28 Feb 09

This involves a bit of effort, but if you really want to avoid the financially crippling fine, then this is what you can do necrocelia:

-Get your hands on an early 80’s DMC De Lorean with Flux Capacitor
-Drive down the main street of Yass an EXACTLY 88mph during the next electrical storm
-Set the Flux Capacitor to January 1 2009 then slow down to the speed-limit, thus avoiding the wrath of the blue meanies.

I think if you are accidentally going at 50km over the limit without noticing, then you need a few more driving lessons.

“I don’t want to lose my licence”

Don’t speed

Goodbye

“(on Riotact or anywhere else) you should expect to get some abuse. “

Really. You should expect abuse.

Don’t be shy in giving a little back.

yianni – if you admit to traveling 50km/h over the speed limit (on Riotact or anywhere else) you should expect to get some abuse. Personally, I hope the cops do you for it.

What could possibly happen to me?

If there were no fixed speed cameras in the area, nothing.

Sounds like he was trying to shake you up. Hopefully it worked.

Sounds like you where lucky. Listen to what the good policeman told you. Next time you might meet bad cop.

Police know when you are trying to avoid them.

Last night I think I may have lost my license. I currently hold a P1 NSW drivers license. Here in NSW we have an 11 o’clock curfew for p1 drivers, not allowing them to carry more than one passanger past 11. So at 5minutes to eleven I decided to leave a busy entertainment area near the beach with three passengers. Pulling out of the underground parking lot. I see cops 20 meters away stopped at the lights. I start to freak out because of the 11 o’clock rule so I turn the corner slowly and hit the back streets. I soon realised I was rushing to the mates house a couple of kilometers and was speeding excessively 50 kmh over the speed limit. I quickly noticed and began to slow down to the speed limit turned a couple of streets. As I cross over and intersection at a speed well below the speed limit a cop flashes me and pulls me over. The police officer asks if I’ve had anything to drink. He breathe tests me, all clear. He then realised I was speeding excessively, but states he did not catch me on radar; however he can view the cameras. If the police were so far behind me, can they catch me speeding? He told me that if the camera caught me speeding excessively I would get an infringement notice and loose my license. The police officer was very polite as I explained to him I wasn’t thinking straight and was in a rush to meet the 11 o’clock curfew rule. He gets me outside in front of the cop car and records the conversation. He asks me how fast where you going? I replied. I honestly don’t know. He asked me some other things and then turned off the recorder. He said to me listen buddy you know you can get hurt and where only doing these things for your safety. I realised the mistake I made and it was terribly stupid. He went into the cop car held my license up to the camera and took a photograph, he then came out and gave me the license and he says see you later buddy. Me the stupid didn’t ask him what was going to happen. I was freaking out and still am.
Iv never sped in my life. But that night I had a lot of things running in my head and I was just in a rush. What could possibly happen to me?

BRAIN NECRO

Why was my reply deleted?

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

How often do you see someone getting a ticket for tailgating?

Never, but it’s more likely to cause an accident than speeding.

Madame Workalot8:05 am 17 Feb 09

Ah, thanks for the link Sheepgroper 🙂

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy6:31 am 17 Feb 09

How often do you see someone getting a ticket for tailgating?

CoffinRX2 said :

monomania said :

Maybe your RX2 will be your Coffin. Sorry most of the rest of us don’t meet your high driving standards as you are obviously a gun driver. However, I doubt that necrocelia shares your magnificent skill and should not be encouraged to believe her careless behaviour might be excused by others failings.

No, the RX2 was onsold in perfect condition, no accidents in it at all, and was basically a road registered race car…

Seriously Canberra drivers need to learn how to drive, its absolutely shocking, i’d love for all of them who cant drive to be fined for driving too slow!! the govt would make millions!!

Blah blah blah… Canberra drivers need to learn how to drive…. Perth drivers…. Brisbane drivers…. every state can say this about each other. Just what makes you an expert? How about some stats comparing each states ratio of drivers to fatal accidents or even accidents….

CoffinRX2 said :

Seriously Canberra drivers need to learn how to drive, its absolutely shocking, i’d love for all of them who cant drive to be fined for driving too slow!! the govt would make millions!!

And tailgating them didn’t work? Damn.

monomania said :

Maybe your RX2 will be your Coffin. Sorry most of the rest of us don’t meet your high driving standards as you are obviously a gun driver. However, I doubt that necrocelia shares your magnificent skill and should not be encouraged to believe her careless behaviour might be excused by others failings.

No, the RX2 was onsold in perfect condition, no accidents in it at all, and was basically a road registered race car…

Seriously Canberra drivers need to learn how to drive, its absolutely shocking, i’d love for all of them who cant drive to be fined for driving too slow!! the govt would make millions!!

proofpositive10:33 pm 16 Feb 09

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/player.cgi?noonethinksbigofyou_low
Necrocelia looks like you starred in your own RTA video.

Madame Workalot said :

Necro, the laws changed recently I believe which means ACT learner and provisional drivers must obey the laws that NSW learner and provisional drivers abide by while driving in NSW.

That’s not quite true, the wannabe organ donor was free to keep to the posted speed limit.

From http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/driver_licence/driverissues

Q 4. What is the maximum speed permitted for ACT learner drivers driving in the ACT and driving interstate?
ACT learner drivers can drive to the posted speed limit in the ACT. However, when driving in NSW, learner drivers must not exceed 80 kilometres per hour

Q6. What is the maximum speed limit permitted for ACT provisional drivers driving in the ACT and driving interstate?
ACT provisional drivers can drive to the posted speed limit in the ACT and in NSW.

ant said :

Necro, the only thing for it is to tailgate all those people who drive so poorly. You need to show them who owns the road.

Don’t forget to call your mates on your mobile and tell them what’s happening – or if you’re texting, steer with your knees.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/penalties/speeding.html

You will find it is listed: More than 15 km/h but not more than 30 km/h, 3 Demerit points.

Also of interest:
[i]What if I commit a demerit point offence while driving outside of NSW?

Australian states and territories exchange traffic offence information. If you hold a NSW licence and commit an offence in another state, the offence may attract demerit points in NSW.

What if I hold a licence from another state or territory and commit a driving offence in NSW?

Details of demerit point offences committed in NSW will be sent to your home state and included on your driving record. If you exceed 12 or more points in a three-year period, the RTA may withdraw your right to drive in NSW.[/i] http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/penalties/demeritpoints/demerit_point_faqs.html

From experience…. They’ve never passed on my details otherwise when I was a P-plater I’d be gonnnnneeeee!

Necro, the only thing for it is to tailgate all those people who drive so poorly. You need to show them who owns the road. You’d think they’d have got teh hint by now, from all the P drivers trying to improve their driving by tailgating them.

Trev Fincham4:16 pm 16 Feb 09

At the end of the day, Cops are just Public Servants.

They’ll usually do whatever is the easiest…..

But seriously, if you’re on your P’s chances are you’re not the best driver on the road (yet) so slow down or accept the price.

idiot

Yes, it is.

JD114 said :

Hi Necrocelia

Is your name Celia and have you ever had any other reason than family love to put the necro part of your login name up?

Hmmm… could explain a lot if I’m thinking what I’m thinking.

I think ‘Necrocelia’ is the name of a band. Google will tell me …..

Pommy bastard2:17 pm 16 Feb 09

The invisible writing rears its ugly head again, I wish I knew how to access it.

Over in another thread (where I cannot post for some strange reason John?) Dexi has stated; “PB just wants to deny me a car as I am on the dole”, now seeing as this is the only thread in which I have mentioned “Dexi” and cars”, I wish I could find the bit where I had in any way attempted to deny Dexi a car.

Can someone help me out and quote it?

necrocelia said :

I have already been in car accidents, have lost a mate to one too and know first hand what its like. I don’t speed when its wet, not for shit, and I stick to road rules.
quote]
It’s true then, you can only destroy other peoples lives when it’s wet !! wonder if it was raining when this happend > http://www.news.com.au/story/0,,25048262-2,00.html

Hi Necrocelia

Is your name Celia and have you ever had any other reason than family love to put the necro part of your login name up?

Hmmm… could explain a lot if I’m thinking what I’m thinking.

necrocelia said :

most of you drive under the speed limit

I think you need to get your speedo checked.

In summary: Your car is a 1000kg weapon, smaller cars carry lower fines because they are lighter weapons. Going +15km/h over the speed limit is when you should hand in your license like all good RA readers do. Cruise controls are good.

PB,
Keep up the good work. 🙂

tylersmayhem1:21 pm 16 Feb 09

I really can’t see the point of double demerit points on public holidays if they apparently do not transfer over state lines. To be honest, I think some people have gotten lucky in the past when getting done interstate, but the OP is likely to get docked the points. If it notes it on paper, chances are it’ll catch up with you.

Pommy bastard11:50 am 16 Feb 09

Fair comment The Brad, fair indeed. But while Dexi is trying him/herself in knots whilst weaving their convoluted tales, it’s nice to point out the inconsistencies, think of it as public education free of charge for him/./her.

Just my way of spreading a little knowledge and joy in the world. 😉

PB,

I’d give up on Dexi, and move on. At best, Dexi might be a sock puppet, or a troll……or a politician, or a lawyer. 🙂
Whoever Dexi is, is not to be trusted.

harvyk1 said :

necrocelia said :

I have a lovely saying, my car can go from zero to wrapped around a tree in under 6 seconds.

hey JB, tagline?

Pommy bastard11:33 am 16 Feb 09

dexi said :

My Porsche Cayenne came with cruise control standard.

Ah, an attempt at humour, I get it. Do you drive/own a car Dexi?

johnboy said :

I think some of you need to learn how to get a joke.

So tell us JB, which part is the joke?

Is it the OP with a self-inflicted sob story expecting a “get out of jail free” card or is it you seriously expecting contributors to coddle them?

It is illegal to drive too slow. You can get fined for obstructing traffic. I know people who have failed their driving test for doing it (going 60 in a 80 zone).

necrocelia said :

but i’m just wondering whether the better thing to do is call up now and find out or just wait for something in the mail.

Call them up. Make sure you identify yourself and tell them what the situation was very clearly. Also mention that the swap testing doesn’t work and why. Demand to know the next course of action, don’t hang up until you get answers.

See you on the bus !

My Porsche Cayenne came with cruise control standard.

Pommy bastard11:19 am 16 Feb 09

dexi said :

I am a big fan of cruise control. Never leave home without turning it on. Speed control is just a button away. Then you can put your full concentration on watching out for the red light cameras and hiding your phone conversations.

So you are a car owner /driver Dexi. So it’s not just ciggies coiffee and medicines which eat up your dole budget, there’s petrol too.

ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT WAS A JOKE. I DON’T RACE PEOPLE AT LIGHTS.

and if i ever did i’m pretty sure it would be a silly idea to post it on here when i’m trying to defend myself for being a good driver..

and i know this hooning mentality that comes hand in hand with being a p plater is wearing off fast so everysing iss okay ya? cool

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy11:17 am 16 Feb 09

and about the porsche, there probably wasn’t drugs in there but it makes the story more interesting

… and to think that it happened on Mulberry Street!

dexi said :

Gobbo, you are so easy to train, your wife/husband must be so pleased.

Making sure I don’t give the Government any extra revenue has nothing to do with being easy to be trained Dexi. It has more to do with enjoying keeping my money for what I want to spend it on.

necrocelia said :

I’m a pretty good driver. I’ll prove it. Meet me at any set of lights, you choose! and we’ll see who goes fastest.

I hate to point it out necrocelia, but it would probably be me (thanks to a big turbo attached to a big engine, yes I like my fast cars). But that’s beside the point. Accelerating fast from lights doesn’t prove anything about how well you drive. I have a lovely saying, my car can go from zero to wrapped around a tree in under 6 seconds. I keep that in mind everytime I think of putting my right foot down.

Your in a dangerous time right now, and that is showing from your posts. Most P Platers go through a phase when they think they are good drivers. I’ll happily admit I went through that same phase, it took my car fishtailing then sliding backwards into a kerb (narrowly missing a sign) to make me realise I wasn’t as good driver as I thought.

Hopefully you’ll learn from this mistake, otherwise your next one could kill you.

wow that last post was all over the place.

but yeah if anything interesting happens you guys will be the third to find out.

yeah its kinda like mario kart you gotta push go at the right time to get the boost. but really i wasn’t being serious.

haha human zoo. i’m really not stressing anymore about losing my licence- if it happens it happens and theres nothing i can do about it. and about the porsche, there probably wasn’t drugs in there but it makes the story more interesting. pretty sure i got pulled over because apparently red cars are targeted more than any other colours probably because red is associated with fast..
and i can always get a restricted workers licence monday to friday 8 til 5. i know a few people who have those.

this is the only speeding ticket i’ve ever gotten!
i’ll let you know if i’ve lost my licence or not when i find out.

but i’m just wondering whether the better thing to do is call up now and find out or just wait for something in the mail. I think i’ll wait.

I think some of you need to learn how to get a joke.

Gobbo, you are so easy to train, your wife/husband must be so pleased.

I am a big fan of cruise control. Never leave home without turning it on. Speed control is just a button away. Then you can put your full concentration on watching out for the red light cameras and hiding your phone conversations.

necrocelia said :

I’m a pretty good driver. I’ll prove it. Meet me at any set of lights, you choose! and we’ll see who goes fastest.

it isn’t who goes fastest, it is who has the coordination at the lights. I can leave most drivers at the lights on a green. and i drive a very old magna. I don’t speed, I need my license for traveling in canberra for work. I hit the limit after backing off. what the other driver does is their lookout.

I will drive to the conditions. I suggest that you consider that in this instance, you were doing the wrong thing, and were caught. Solution? don’t do it again.

if you have to endure the human zoo (buses) for 6-months, you will appreciate your license and car all the more when you get it back.

just be patient, and accept that you did the wrong thing. the cops didn’t single out a p plater, you didn’t have the plates up, as you mentioned. there are a lot of maybes as to why you and not the porsche. Don’t eat yourself up inside, wondering why you?

just get on with life, and wait for the time to finish.

Necro – I have been driving for more than 25 years. I have received one speeding fine for going <15 kms above the limit. That was 15 years ago.

I reckon once was enough for me to learn my lesson.

How many times before you learn yours?

JB you asked us to play nice which I think most of us did all things considered, but it looks like necro’s own attitude has just lost him that courtesy.

How does the anti-speeding ad go? Oh yeah:

Necro – nobody thinks big of you.

Sorry, i didn’t see the warning until after i posted that comment. Which is why I said uh oh.

Gobbo- how long do i have to wait?

Thumper- I promise you that was a joke. I’m really not that much of a dickhead. Besides, i’m a girl i’ve never raced someone at the lights for real. I’ve actually never even done a proper burnout, which is lucky cos one time in melbourne someone wanted to race me at the lights and he did a mad burnout and low and behold there was an undercover cop behind him and he got done..

these internet insults don’t really hurt me cos i’m sure you probably wouldn’t be saying the same thing to my face if you met me, and if you did it’d be funny.

except i do appreciate the advice!

> I’m a pretty good driver. I’ll prove it. Meet me at any set of lights, you choose! and we’ll see who goes fastest.

Errr…actually, that just proves that YOU are an idiot. Personally, I hope you lose your license. Learn a lesson buddy & grow up.

https://ols2.rta.nsw.gov.au/clenq/index.jsp

You can use the link above to check on your points in NSW.

Frankly, I believe some serious questions need to be asked if demerits from over the border are not occurring.

Why bother having these interstate arrangements at all if it’s not important enough to actually enforce?

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy10:35 am 16 Feb 09

The trick is knowing how not to get booked. It’s not that hard, just takes practice…

You’ll have to wait for some considerable time for me to get caught speeding necrocelia.

Have a lovely day and DO try and obey the road rules won’t you.

🙂

Pommy bastard10:35 am 16 Feb 09

John, seeing as necrocelia has offer the most overt abuse here, I hope you are being fair and including him/her in this warning?

necrocelia said :

To be honest, I bet you I haven’t lost my licence.

Maybe not before you blabbed it all over the internet on a site read by police and politicians ….

Now, who knows?

Clown Killer10:33 am 16 Feb 09

I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over it Necro. You’ll end up with whatever the system dishes out. If you keep your license then consider yourself lucky. If you lose it the put it down to experience, buy a bus pass and update the song list on your iPod.
Keep a grain of salt handy for the sanctimonious advice from the holier-than-thou do-gooder set too.

uh oh.

haha probably not but all i wanted to know is whether or not i lost my licence and to have so many people try and tell you the same thing over and over again about how you fucked up and need to deal with the consequences. I ALREADY KNOW. I ALREADY KNOW, I ALREADY KNOW.

To be honest, I bet you I haven’t lost my licence.

EVERYBODY SPEEDS SOMETIMES MOTHERF*CKERS. And i can’t wait til you guys get booked too.

OK everyone, let’s take the personalities and the abuse out of it.

Final warnings all round.

Oh, no! Did somebody use the “i” word?

Hang on a sec, while we cry ….

: D

Pommy bastard10:23 am 16 Feb 09

May I borrow your catchphrase again Johnboy?

I have already been in car accidents
Then you should know to drive safely by now.

have lost a mate to one too
And you’re still speeding?

and know first hand what its like.
Heroin users still take a risk knowing that on a long enough time frame, it’ll kill them.
Speeding is much the same. You might get a rush, but you’re taking a risk with your life.

Meet me at any set of lights, you choose! and we’ll see who goes fastest.
You haven’t learnt, have you?

Not me mate. 🙂

I aint the one with this issue. That would be you.

YOU IDIOT.

necrocelia said :

I’m a pretty good driver. I’ll prove it. Meet me at any set of lights, you choose! and we’ll see who goes fastest.

Umm? If you are a pretty good driver, why are you wanting to see if you are faster than others at a set of lights?

Double book ‘im Danno.

Book him, Danno.

thanks for the advice harvyk1. i’ve been thinking about doing that drivers thing anyway..

It’s not like i’m intentionally setting out to go and break speed limits. I don’t search for speed limit signs and take photos of my speedometer and the speed sign at the same time to show people how hardcore i am. I just didn’t want to lie because the truth is sometimes I speed.

I have already been in car accidents, have lost a mate to one too and know first hand what its like. I don’t speed when its wet, not for shit, and I stick to road rules.

I’m a pretty good driver. I’ll prove it. Meet me at any set of lights, you choose! and we’ll see who goes fastest.

caf said :

It’s true, everyone in Canberra drives slow,

That’s funny, two years ago it was “everyone in Canberra speeds all the time”.

Probably because they got caught on camera. I know I changed my driving behaviour as soon as I had to cough up on a fine.

It’s true, everyone in Canberra drives slow,

That’s funny, two years ago it was “everyone in Canberra speeds all the time”.

most of you drive under the speed limit (which is illegal)

I thought the speed limits were the maximum allowable speed for that area. Driving under the maximum speed allowed for an area is not illegal. In many cases the driving conditions may dictate not to go at that speed.

Glad you got booked. Hope it keeps happening until you learn to drive legally. 🙂

necrocelia said :

Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to get into my car drive to work and will quite possibly go over the speed limit in some places. I’ll let you know if I get booked.

Then you didn’t learn your lesson. Going over the speed limit is never ok, to say that your going out driving, and you’ll probably break the law at some point on the drive indicates to me that you probably should be without your license for a few months. I’ve heard of people getting booked because they passed a 60km/h sign and yet they where still doing 78 (slowing down from 80)

Driving seems so easy until something goes wrong. My best piece of advise to you is book yourself into an advance driver training day. That way you can feel first hand what a car feels like when the sh*t hits the fan (It’s amazing how fast 40 km/h is when your sideways and you don’t want to be). Furthermore you’ll have an appreciation of just how easily it can happen

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy9:59 am 16 Feb 09

Huh? Is ‘Necrocelia’ your real name? Sure you haven’t been taking those pills?

I’d love to tell you why I think the swab testers don’t work but if I do things might explode on riotact, and no I wasn’t driving around munted. I’ll tell you one day under an alias maybe!

necrocelia said :

And you can lick my salty balls if any of you try to tell me you’ve never gone over the speed limit. I just did it at the wrong place and the wrong time.

And there is your key words. It’s amazing how many accidents are wrong place and wrong time.

Look no, none of us truly know what will happen to your license. From what I have heard from other people in your position you may get lucky and you won’t lose the points. That said I wouldn’t be banking on that fact. You may also lose your right to drive in NSW for a few months (although you’d could still be ok in ACT).

yeah man definitely. pretty sure its the real slow ones that we’ve gotta watch out for…

necrocelia said :

I actually got swab tested too, and for the record i don’t think they work.

Eh? Why’s that? Because you were on pills too?

LOL, what a nice flamey post to keep my toes warm on this horrible bleak day… : D

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy9:49 am 16 Feb 09

Yeah!

It’s true, everyone in Canberra drives slow, and IT IS ILLEGAL, good luck trying to argue that point with the people here. They all like to take life slow and don’t realise that sometimes people have better things in their life than to spend it in a car driving. Now, Im not saying to speed, but if you, just cop it on the chin and move on.

I think they should start booking people for going to slow and for driving in the right lane when they’re not overtaking before they book people for going 7km over the limit in a 100km/hr zone (i’ve been booked it).

Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to get into my car drive to work and will quite possibly go over the speed limit in some places. I’ll let you know if I get booked.

You should all stop preaching and stop and think about your own shitty driving skills because you’re all from Canberra and most of you drive under the speed limit (which is illegal)you wait when there is CLEARLY enough time to go (twice), and don’t even know how to form one lane especially on commonwealth bridge FAIL.

And you can lick my salty balls if any of you try to tell me you’ve never gone over the speed limit. I just did it at the wrong place and the wrong time.

I’ve had my licence for over a year, I got it in june 2007, and since then i have NEVER EVER EVER, been pulled over by the coppers for speeding or anything until i went to melbourne. And i got breathalysed twice and booked once. I actually got swab tested too, and for the record i don’t think they work.

I most definitely don’t need anymore people telling me i’m an idiot because I worked that out as soon as i saw the flashing lights.
and then i had to deal with my parents.

‘its good to see people targeting p platers’ i wasn’t even wearing my P plates but he let me off because i wasn’t driving my car and the driver was passed out next to me. in fact, i didn’t even have a rego sticker on the car and didn’t get in trouble (it was registered though)
i was told it would have been a completely different story if either of the male passengers had gotten pulled over instead of me.

definitely wasn’t keeping in pace with the porsche next to me as he was in the right lane and i was in the left. I am honestly not a bad driver, and i know this hooning mentality that comes with being a teenager is wearing off.

The only reason I came to riotact with this question was to figure out whether or not I’m actually going to lose my licence or not but I’m guessing you guys aren’t so sure either.

I’m not upset about it. I’ll end up saving a shit load of money and I don’t even have my own car- i just really enjoy driving..

but hey shit happens. at least i won’t have to be deso!

I rate this post 8/10. Would read again.

(You might not have caught all the fish, but you caught plenty.)

I find it funny how you assumed the cause it’s a porsche it “probably 6 tonnes of coke and pills”. The funny thing is if they did have anything they were bringing into Canberra, they would be driving a crappy car and not speeding cause they wouldn’t want to attrack attention. But I like how you assumed that cause they have money, the are drug dealers.

Cried?

I’m sorry, but I can’t have sympathy for you. Yes, it’s easy to be caught +15km/h. A change of zone say 100 to 80 can do it. However I don’t think that’s what happened here.

I think here, you where reckless, you endangered 400+ lives, and your now looking for a shoulder to cry on because you got caught.

Hopefully you will take this on your chin and say “well sh*t, at least it was only my license I lost”.

My piece of constructive suggestion is – when you get your license back, don’t speed.

Laws governing particular states apply regardless of where your licence in from and the points system is Nation wide. sucks to be you dude.

Madame Workalot7:41 am 16 Feb 09

Necro, the laws changed recently I believe which means ACT learner and provisional drivers must obey the laws that NSW learner and provisional drivers abide by while driving in NSW. However, reading your post I get the impression that you were going more than 15km over the POSTED speed limit (you were keeping pace with another car, you’d already overtaken numerous cars etc.) so I would consider yourself extremely lucky.

I have quite a few suggestions as to how you might get away with not losing your licence that have been successful in the past. But there’s no way in hell I’d be inclined to help you given your attitude. People like you have to learn the hard way, or die trying (and possibly kill others along the way). Your post reads like a spoilt child wrote it after their favourite toy was taken from them because they hit someone else over the head with it.

Seriously, speeding in double demerits? Are you really that simple? If you’re too selfish to slow down for others’ safety (because you ARE inexperienced and entirely too cocky), surely you would slow down when the risk to your licence is greater. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

The whole point of losing your licence is to punish you. So I’m sorry, but the fact you’re going to lose ‘the favourite part of your day’ makes me smile. Maybe when you get your licence back you’ll appreciate it a bit more.

Apologies if this seems harsh, but this is the most ridiculous and self-absorbed post I’ve read since the whole ‘l-platers shouldn’t be on the highway’ saga. Maybe when (if) you grow up Necro, you’ll realise that a licence is a privilege, not a right.

Editor it’s all very well asking us to “go easy” on the grounds that this person is young – but this person are in charge of a car. On a public road. Putting us all at risk. Throw the book at them. (Wasn’t Johnboy on the record recently boasting about speeding outrageously on the highway?) Here’s my “constructive comment”: Necrocelia, I sincerely hope that you lose your licence.

My extremely conservative driving husband just got a fine from Victoria for 6km over and $143. He is really unlucky.

_Everyone_ in Victoria has been losing their licenses in recent years, and more than the odd person in Canberra too – so much revenue to be had they’re like vultures, damn their public image.

Our bit-of-a-hoon-but-just-a-boring-public-servant (erstwhile) housemate lost his for all of summer a couple of years back and his life was over for the duration (lots of time playing FPSs).

Be an anal driver and don’t get frustrated if you want to save yourself the hundreds/thousands in fines and the pain of having no licence.

(There is a total bastard [insert ‘c’ word here] motorbike cop on the Monaro that I’d love to have a piece of though, has gotten my husband for nothing a stack of times – can’t do anything about the bloody power-trippers – they’re saving no one and just making the people really pissed with them.)

It’s good to see the police targetting P platers. I so seldom see P platers driving with skill or courtesy, and a good hard wake up call is what most of them badly need.

As constructive as I can be, all things considered:

Cop it on the chin, mate.

Traffic laws are not there to inconvenience you.

Losing your license is not the end of the world. But slamming into someone because you don’t think the road rules apply to you could be the end of theirs. Or yours.

proofpositive10:56 pm 15 Feb 09

Knowingly speeding during a period of double demerits, with your current attitude you are nothing more than a selfish and immature imbecile, and you deserve to lose your licence for six months. Perhaps it will teach you a little more respect that your driving licence is a privilege and not a right.

Woody Mann-Caruso10:26 pm 15 Feb 09

Meh, drivers are drivers the world over, and I’d guess a lot of Canberra drivers are from somewhere else originally. I get the “slow slow ooh overtaking lane speed up” thing all over the country. Bruce Highway around Townsville and Heathcote Rd between the M5 and Lucas Heights are choice spots. I suspect it’s because they’re not comfortable without a dual carriageway and the extra lane makes them feel ‘safe’ to do the limit plus some more to make up for lost time.

So, i’m also young, a long time reader, and a p-plater.

There’s no nice way to say this…suck it up sunshine! You broke the law, and you’ve clearly got the consequences of doing so…so, you’ll be without your licence for ..6 mounths. public transport + iPod = alone time as well.

Vic Bitterman9:45 pm 15 Feb 09

Suck it up necro and drive safely next time.

Who knows, by adhering to the speed limits and driving like a normal person, me and my family may get to our destination without you slamming into us at high speed.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy8:45 pm 15 Feb 09

Yep, when someone decides to put the foot down at the overtaking lane, it’s kinda nice tobe able to give the V8 a squeeze and overtake them anyway. Personally, I’m a big fan of reducing the amount of time spent overtaking to as short a period as possible. If you have to temporarily exceed the speed limit in order to get around another driver safely, I don’t think that’s a problem.

Of course, that’s an attitude that gets frowned upon by the commuters in the big smoke, but many country drivers will tell you the same thing.

Good advice there shiny.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

(VY)… Speeding up for overtaking lanes. When the (rare) overtaking lane appears, the ACT driver frequently seems to speed up.”

Yes what IS that all about? You sit patiently behind somebody tooling along at 90, and suddenly, when an overtaking lane appears, they find another 20km/h!

I think that you’re suspension is a good thing. Driving +15km/h over the speed limit is a crime. It sucks that you were picked up and not the other driver committing the same crime, however that does not make you any better. If

Your car is a 1000kg weapon that can not only harm you, but murder other innocent road users and pedestrians. If driving is your only alone time, then learn to respect that driving comes with rules, laws and consequences. Obey them and you wont run into issues such as these. Disobey and statistically you’ll probably end up dead leaving your friends and family to grieve over your ignorance.

I’m not trying to be high and mighty, but I too was once caught speeding on my P’s. It was an old country road and a car behind me was tailgating (for 15min) and eventually overtook. In my youthfulness I was angry and thought I should catch him up and show him what I thought of him. Well there was a speed trap. +11km/h. The speed limit changed from 80 to 60 for a small T intersection. I was honest and admitted my mistake to the officer. He was kind enough to only fine me +5-10 km/h. Regardless, I learnt my lesson well.

One thing you can do during your suspension (which I also did) is attend a Road Ready Plus course.

When you get your license back you wont have to display your P-plates, you’ll be reminded of just how important safe and defensive driving is… also you’ll have an additional 4 demerit points – Not for you to use!.

Link: http://www.roadready.act.gov.au/c/roadready?a=sp&pid=1098840049

TAD said :

Ignore all the crap advice dished out here.

The Yass copper is right. Once the fine is paid the NSW RTA stop caring and don’t send the details on to the ACT.

Bingo. I got booked in NSW as a P plater some time ago <15kph though and the points didn’t come off my licence. The points don’t transfer to the ACT, but given that you didn’t pay the fine on time and the letter says that you have lost your licence for 6 months, you may want to be careful driving in nsw for 6 months as the suspension would be in force in NSW, and you’ll probably end up in a cell for a short period of time if caught.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy8:22 pm 15 Feb 09

I regularly drive on NSW B and C grade highways and the driving I see from ACT registered cars is just atrocious. The common behaviours seem to be:
1) Failure to indicate. Driving in Civic at 30km/h, failing to indicate isn’t the end of the world, but cutting out in front of another car overtaking without indicating kills people on single lane highways.
2) Failure to stay in lane. NSW country roads have narrower lanes than in Canberra, and running over the centre line because you can’t keep your left wheels 12 inches from the broken verge can be a real problem when the guy coming toward you is driving a cattle truck.
3) Speeding up for overtaking lanes. When the (rare) overtaking lane appears, the ACT driver frequently seems to speed up. That’s why the guys with black and yellow plates are going well over the limit when they pass.
4) Not dipping headlights. When someone is coming toward you, or you come up behind someone, dip your damn lights.

As far as getting busted for speeding, well, country coppers are nothing if not predictable, in time you’ll learn how now to get caught.

Ignore all the crap advice dished out here.

The Yass copper is right. Once the fine is paid the NSW RTA stop caring and don’t send the details on to the ACT.

Woody Mann-Caruso8:01 pm 15 Feb 09

I also felt like the biggest asshole too because the 400 people I overtook got to see me cry and probably all felt so smug about themselves.

I wasn’t there but I feel smug just reading about it.

Not one part of your post indicates any kind of remorse – just ‘omg, how can I get out of this?!’. Maybe punishment is what you need so it all, like, fully sinks in and stuff?

Bring on a national licencing system. We need to stop people like you slipping through the cracks before you slip a lovely family of four coming the other way into an early grave.

oh and I agree with CoffinRX2 Canberra drivers are hopeless, they do keep to the right lane and don’t indicate. I think they think they are in their own little world and that they own the road in front of them. Most drivers, not just ACT drivers, do not look ahead and do not plan their trip. I mean most drives look about 1 metre in front of them so they have no idea of the conditions of the road nor do they realise there are other cars on the road! Of course, gross and massive generalisation here but nonetheless an observation. Try http://www.ratetheplate.com.au to see if your vehicle has been rated before.

My thoughts…

I was booked for speeding doing 80km in a 60km zone on my Ps about 15 years ago (yes I am old-ish) and I basically wrote a letter to the infringement bureau at the time in NSW arguing leniency as it was my first offence and that I need my car to get to work etc. If you have a clean record you may be able to get a caution depending on the circumstances of your offence. I wouldn’t recommend you saying you are ‘inexperienced’ but rather that you are cautious and follow road rules, just that one time you got caught was an exception for whatever reason and not in your true character. Maybe get some references to support your case. I wouldn’t put down an excuse just say it was an exception.

As far as transfer of demerits interstate, they do apply, just sometimes the recordkeeping isn’t very accurate. The demerit system is national and the only thing keeping people from having demerit points added interstate is the red tape and processing.

Failing all of this. Cop it sweet. If you speed and get caught you have to wear it. I have a long-going bet with my dad that should I ever get caught speeding I must pay the fine and also pay him the equivalent fine plus $50. Apart from that one time 15 years ago I have been clean! That doesn’t mean I don’t take some exception to the speed limit ;). I don’t condone speeding but it isn’t speed that is dangerous, but driving contrary to the conditions of the road.

Maybe your RX2 will be your Coffin. Sorry most of the rest of us don’t meet your high driving standards as you are obviously a gun driver. However, I doubt that necrocelia shares your magnificent skill and should not be encouraged to believe her careless behaviour might be excused by others failings.

Just suck it up if it happens and buy a bike. It may seem it at your age but 6 months is no time at all.

Ever been fishing? Sure you have. When you did, did you catch all the fish?

The Police caught you. The other cars are the other fish (including the 400 you passed).

“Is there anything I can do?”

Learn from this. Catch a bus and have a loud iPod on – you’ll feel alone…

fabforty said :

“the 400 people I overtook” ???

I am going to make an effort here not to give you a verbal ‘clip over the ear’. If you were overtaking lots of other cars, did it not occur to you that perhaps you were going way too fast ?

You are very young and don’t have enough driving experience to be driving fast. This may be why the police pulled you over. He or she may have saved your life with this wake-up call.

My advice is to take your medicine and learn from your mistake. Many of us have been there and have also learnt the hard way.

I wouldnt say that overtaking tha many ppl is such a bad thing, …… 90% of canberra region drivers cannot even indicate or merge, let alone know how to drive at a consistant speed at the speed limit of a highway. … this practice only gets worse in the holiday periods where fools sit in the right hand lane of the hume etc @ 95kph if they are lucky.

Couple of weeks ago I went for a drive down the coast on a Saturday morning, …. overtook about 20 cars in the space of less than 4km.

Learn from it. Change your behaviour behind the wheel (please). Figure out how you will get by the next six months. Grieve, get angry, then get over it.

(Begging the court may work. Ring legal aid ACT 1300 654 314 they give telephone advice.)

Beg the Court- it’s all you can do. If you need your license for Study/work then you might get a “special”.

I think your screwed.

“the 400 people I overtook” ???

I am going to make an effort here not to give you a verbal ‘clip over the ear’. If you were overtaking lots of other cars, did it not occur to you that perhaps you were going way too fast ?

You are very young and don’t have enough driving experience to be driving fast. This may be why the police pulled you over. He or she may have saved your life with this wake-up call.

My advice is to take your medicine and learn from your mistake. Many of us have been there and have also learnt the hard way.

As one of our wise readers reminded us the other day, justice is what you get when you run out of money.

IF it matters that much and IF you can afford it then an expensive lawyer can fix these things, often simply by threatening to waste so much of the court’s time that they’d rather let you get off scott free than deal with the lawyer.

But if the worst happens you’ll be surprised how quickly the time will pass.

deezagood said :

or you could say ‘well, I am an inexperienced ‘P’ plate driver, who passed ‘400 people’ and drove well over the speed limit and yet didn’t kill/hurt either myself or anybody else. Maybe, just maybe, you are one of the lucky ones …

thats a bit rough deezagood. Road rules are like Horoscopes, every so called authority has a different idea on what they should be, so you shouldn’t take them too seriously.

Sorry Necrocelia, Shit Happens. In future you might find it easier to stick to the speed limit on holidays that way you don’t have to worry about overtaking.

One good thing about getting older is that you realise it doesn’t matter if you arrive at your destination 10 minutes later.

Experience is a wonderful gift and the only advice I have is we all make mistakes but if we learn from them and acknowledge them without killing anyone in the process all the better.

“Is there anything I can do?”

No

Actually I am wrong, there is something you can do. Lighten your lead foot. Its not bad luck, its bad driving

old canberran4:32 pm 15 Feb 09

I know of several NSW residents that have been fined in the ACT and their NSW driving records are still spotless.

I am looking at an ACT infringement notice addressed to me for allegedly exceeding the speed limit on the Monaro Highway between Mugga Lane and Isabella drive back in December. I was driving a NSW car and I have an NSW licence. I am attempting to get some leniency as I have a 54 year unblemished ACT driving record.
The form clearly states the penalty is $223 and 3 demerit points.

Necrocelia, all I can say is bad luck, you got caught same as I did. You probably didn’t know that around Xmas and New Year the penalties in NSW are double demerit points in an attempt to get people to not do what you did ie speed.

I got booked for speeding the week after getting my P’s and lost 3 of my 6 points. The week before 3 guys from St Eddies died on Hindmarsh drive about the same place that I got booked. I never thought I’d make the 3 years with so few points left but I did because from that initial wake-up call I didn’t speed.

I don’t think you have any other option but to take this one on the chin and lose your licence for the set period. btw I thought it was only a 3 month suspension not 6 months.

Copper might have pulled you up *because* you are on your ‘P’s… maybe thought you could learn something from your mistake… The 2 mistakes I was pulled up for one bad weekend when I was newly licensed (just before Ps introduced) certainly taught me not to speed… It just *isn’t* worth the risk (and I’m *not* talking about the $$$).

You can probably appeal the loss of license (or ask the courts for a restricted one to drive to work etc), or like most drivers that lose their license, drive without one and take the risk…

gun street girl4:08 pm 15 Feb 09

Ta, fribibb – my mistake. I do know of ACT p-platers who’ve been pulled over by NSW cops for breaking the speeding rules applicable to NSW p-platers, but most got off with a stern word once the cops ascertained they weren’t on NSW licenses.

Actually, forget that last bit. I re-read your post and saw the ‘+’ before the 15.

You could write in and ask for leniency, but you probably won’t be successful.

By the way, if the fine is $243, then you were going more than 15kmh over the limit I would’ve thought?

@ gun street girl:
NSW red P Platers have a 90km/h limit, its L’s that are 80 (Green P’s are 100)
– Though if ‘necrocelia’ is on a ACT license it shouldn’t matter, as its not relevant to his/her license.

Also, from experience I’ve been pulled up in NSW and done for 15-30 over the limit, and a few months after I’d paid the fine I was in a govt shopfront and asked how many points I had left, and it appeared I hadn’t lost ANY points. I’ve also heard of this being the case for an ACT resident booked in QLD. But I’m still not officially sure if they could carry the points over or whether there are just a lot of stuff ups 🙂

I’d be interested to hear what the official word is if you do find out…

Just like fishing, you don’t always catch the biggest fish eh ?

Necrocelia, you could try to fight this or you could say ‘well, I am an inexperienced ‘P’ plate driver, who passed ‘400 people’ and drove well over the speed limit and yet didn’t kill/hurt either myself or anybody else. Maybe, just maybe, you are one of the lucky ones …

gun street girl3:46 pm 15 Feb 09

Were you booked going 15+ over the posted speed limit, or going 15+ over 80km/hr? NSW red p-platers are meant to have an 80km/hr limit, regardless of posted signs (arguably stupid on open roads). Green platers can’t exceed 90km/hr, I think. As an ACT p-plater, I don’t believe you are governed by that rule, so you could contest the charge if that were the case.

If, however, you were pinged doing 15+ over the posted limit, you might just have to wear it. I know you’ve probably heard it ad nauseum already, but truly – please slow down. Those of us at the front line really don’t like scraping young people off the roads and watching them die needlessly.

I think it does take a while to learn that driving is actually a privilege not a right and to treat it as something very precious like gold or diamonds. It’s too valuable to be thrown away.

Hopefully you will not lose the points and you can benefit from the lesson without experiencing the pain. If worst comes to worst, you may be able to plead your case to a judge. I’m really not sure how the system works, though.

so sad.

I understood that the points were carried over they just took longer. Ring Canberra Connect and ask them.

But seriously, you do the crime you do the time.

If you’ve paid the fine, that’s all you’ve got to do. Once the fine has been paid the information about your offence will be sent to the ACT Motor Registry, and it is up to the ACT public servants if the 6 points will be added to your licence or not. The majority of the time it wont happen. In fact there’ll most likely be no record of the offence ever listed on your ACT driving record.

I know of several NSW residents that have been fined in the ACT and their NSW driving records are still spotless.

If the ACT Gov does decide to follow it up, you’ll get a letter from them notifying you that you’ve used all your available demerit points, and your suspension is X months.

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