I don’t want to lose my licence.

necrocelia 15 February 2009 163

I got booked in Yass just after new years going +15km/h over the speed limit. Fair enough, but i can’t believe the copper didn’t pull over the 4wd porsche going the same speed next to me, which had tinted windows and probably 6 tonnes of coke and pills. I also felt like the biggest asshole too because the 400 people I overtook got to see me cry and probably all felt so smug about themselves.

But anyway, at the time i was told that i’d just have to pay the $243 fine and i wouldn’t lose any demerit points because I had an ACT licence and got booked in NSW and for some reason the demerit points don’t get carried over. Which is good because it was double demerit points at the time.

I was happy until now when I just opened a letter from the NSW government telling me that my fine is overdue (not anymore) and that the offence carries 6 demerit points. I’m still on my P’s.. so if this letter from the government isn’t lying to me then i’ve lost my licence for 6 months AND THAT SUCKS A BIG FAT

Driving is the only alone time I have and its my favourite part of the day. Is there anything I can do?

[ED – Commenters are reminded that the poster here is young and also a long time reader, so let’s try and stay constructive with our suggestions?]


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Emma29 Emma29 10:03 am 21 Sep 11

necrocelia said :

haha probably not but all i wanted to know is whether or not i lost my licence and to have so many people try and tell you the same thing over and over again about how you fucked up and need to deal with the consequences. I ALREADY KNOW. I ALREADY KNOW, I ALREADY KNOW.

To be honest, I bet you I haven’t lost my licence.

EVERYBODY SPEEDS SOMETIMES MOTHERF*CKERS. And i can’t wait til you guys get booked too.

I feel you dude, same boat with a post I made

cross cross 10:44 am 20 Sep 11

cross said :

As an ACT P plate holder you have the option of doing the Road ready course ( P off Course )which gives you an extra 4 points and you do not have to display P plates but if you have paid the fine I would get in quick.
http://www.roadready.act.gov.au/c/roadready?a=sp&pid=1098840049

My apologies further reading shows this
Due to traffic infringements, I have reached my demerit points allowance. If I do the P Off course before I pay the fine and receive a letter of suspension, will I get the increased 4 demerit points allowance (which is awarded upon completing the course) and be able to keep my licence? No, your licence conditions at the time of offence is noted and if your demerit points allowance at that time was 4 points, your licence will be suspended regardless of whether you attend the course or not. However, if you complete the course, your demerit points allowance will be increased to 8 points and the P plate can be removed from your vehicle when your suspension period is completed. The course can be undertaken during a suspension period as there are no practical driving components in the course.

For more information go to: http://www.roadready.act.gov.au

cross cross 10:40 am 20 Sep 11

As an ACT P plate holder you have the option of doing the Road ready course ( P off Course )which gives you an extra 4 points and you do not have to display P plates but if you have paid the fine I would get in quick.
http://www.roadready.act.gov.au/c/roadready?a=sp&pid=1098840049

Emma29 Emma29 9:57 am 20 Sep 11

That Does suck a big one dude… but as far as I know you shouldn’t lose any demerit points for driving interstate.

I had a mate who was caught going 240km/h in NSW in a 110 zone, he didnt lose his licence because he didnt cop interstate demerits. In my opinion he should have, thats ridiculous speeding, but doing 15km over is no where near as big as that. So if the cops are giving you demerits but didn
‘t take my mates licence of him then the law is a joke. Also there is a 10% Leniancy… meaning you werent really exceeding the speed limit too dangerously if coppas are happy to let people travel at 109 on the hwy and not pull them over. Not surprised you got pulled over when a porche was going the same speed. Cops pick on P platers, when In reailty, why should the guy in the porche be any less of hazard than you, he might actually be a P Plater too and not be displaying his P’s. If an accident is going to happen its gonna happen, a P plater going the same speed as a full licenced driver (both speeding) there shuolnt be a difference as to who is pulled over, both are breaking the law and thats the end of the story.

Any comments on the red P’s and green P’s stuff, its irrelevant. You have ACT P’s, you can go the speed limit.

I would deffinatley be contesting this dude, I have heard of so many cases where friends were busted speeding in NSW and haven’t lost any demerits. More to the point, to coppa himself told you you wouldnt lose any points, thats fair evidence there. Maybe dont speed on double demerit weekends but 😛

necrocelia necrocelia 12:23 pm 15 Jun 09

In case anybody wants to know- I haven’t lost my licence.

I actually forgot to pay the fine, and then they sent me a letter saying that the fine was overdue that the offence carried 6 demerit points, but nothing about me losing my licence.

So.. hooray!

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 9:02 am 15 Jun 09

Let me get this right; you drive your V8 at or below the speed limit.

Sometimes…

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 7:53 am 15 Jun 09

Spideydog said :

BerraBoy68 said :

Not enough to waste an ambulance’s time but enough for my wife to drive to Canb. Hospital.

So if it’s not enough to waste an ambulance’s time, there is no need to speed. Is it reasonable to put other people lives at risk for something NOT life threatening ?? ONLY 10k’s over can mean the difference between a minor collision to a serious or even deadly collision.

Point taken Spidey, but do you have kids? When you’re driving a 4 year old to hospital, she has blood pouring, and I do mean loads of it, from her mouth, teeth dangling at various angles and she is screaming but unable to articulate what’s wrong, good luck at staying right on 60km/h. I’m actually surprised my wife was only doing 70km/h. There’s also a big difference in driving at 70 on Xmas day on a deserted major Canberra road and driving 10k over the limit through a school zone at 3pm on a weekday term.

As for calling an ambulance, it’s frequently a ‘line-call’, and I never fault anybody for whatever decision they take regarding getting a very sick person to hospital (or a women having a baby, etc. for that matter). Several years ago, my brother died of a brain hemorrhage when he was aged 17. My brother symptoms were a massive headache and feeling sick. We rang the emergency ‘on call’ Dr (they used to make house calls in those days) and he said it was likely to be just a migraine we were advised not to call an ambulance and he’d be over as soon as he could, but he had a more critical patient to attend to first. That person survived, my brother didn’t. Urgent care, an ambulance etc. wouldn’t have made a blind bit of difference in my brothers case but the other person survived because she got it.

Granny Granny 2:50 am 15 Jun 09

I agree that we are lucky in the ACT to have average response times of 8 mins to calls for ambulances, but in Sydney and other places it can take up to 45 mins – long enough for it to be a matter of life and death or for you to end up having to deliver a baby by yourself.

In any circumstance a person is going to make the best judgement call they can, considering that they will be probably physically suffering from the emotional shock also, and this should really be taken into account.

YapYapYap YapYapYap 1:11 am 15 Jun 09

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Driving quickly, even if you have the vehicle and skill, is not a good idea.

Let me get this right; you drive your V8 at or below the speed limit.

So does my old mum – she only supercharged the big block in her Getz cos she likes the way it whines. I told her to log-on here and listen to what the law and order types have to say.

SheepGroper SheepGroper 10:46 pm 14 Jun 09

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

1) If the person’s condition deteriorates en route, the ambos are better equipped to deal with the situation;
2) You get there quicker because an emergency vehicle under lights can run red lights if need be; and
3) You get taken directly out the back and are not typically subject to front office filtering.

Not to mention one ambulance officer is concentrating on driving, the other(s) are concentrating on the patient – it wouldn’t be easy when you’re trying to both drive and deal with a patient, let alone break road rules in the process.

Spideydog Spideydog 9:19 pm 14 Jun 09

circusmind said :

Spideydog said :

ONLY 10k’s over can mean the difference between a minor collision to a serious or even deadly collision.

I agree. In future I will be consistently driving 20km under the speed limit.

Sarcasm aside ….. what exactly did you mean by that comment ?

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 8:42 pm 14 Jun 09

Let’s not let this degenerate into another argument about driving technique.

circusmind circusmind 8:32 pm 14 Jun 09

Spideydog said :

ONLY 10k’s over can mean the difference between a minor collision to a serious or even deadly collision.

I agree. In future I will be consistently driving 20km under the speed limit.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 8:20 pm 14 Jun 09

My opinion is that if you are around a person who needs to be rushed to hospital, you call and ambulance.

There’s a few reasons for this:
1) If the person’s condition deteriorates en route, the ambos are better equipped to deal with the situation;
2) You get there quicker because an emergency vehicle under lights can run red lights if need be; and
3) You get taken directly out the back and are not typically subject to front office filtering.

Driving quickly, even if you have the vehicle and skill, is not a good idea.

Spideydog Spideydog 7:30 pm 14 Jun 09

BerraBoy68 said :

Not enough to waste an ambulance’s time but enough for my wife to drive to Canb. Hospital.

So if it’s not enough to waste an ambulance’s time, there is no need to speed. Is it reasonable to put other people lives at risk for something NOT life threatening ?? ONLY 10k’s over can mean the difference between a minor collision to a serious or even deadly collision.

You guys appealed and got a favourable outcome considering your wife’s driving history. Everyone is entitled to a caution I reckon, a long good driving history will be of benefit.

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 6:38 pm 14 Jun 09

gazzalai said :

Mmm okay thanks for the help – and to all the people out there who say call an ambulance – when you’ve been in NSW for long enough, you will realise how long it takes for them to get to you, what is a 5 minute drive for me to the hospital (travelling at the speed limit) is a somewhat…10 minute drive for ambulances to get to my residence…

Lesson No. 1 Gazzalai is that if you think you didn’t deserve the fine, don’t be in such a rush to pay it. You are always allowed to appeal. Your written fine would have explained the various actions you could take. For the future, god forbid – you can also appeal if you don’t have the money to pay straight away as the whole consideration process takes time, allowing you a couple of weeks to save a few extra $.

For info: I appealed a similar offence on behalf of my wife in Jan. She drove our daughter to hospital on Xmas day. My Daughter fell over and knocked out a few teeth, and as she was only 4 she wouldn’t calm down. We subsequently thought she may also have broken her jaw. Not enough to waste an ambulance’s time but enough for my wife to drive to Canb. Hospital and pick up a fine for exceeding the speed limit by only 10km/h (i.e. 70km/h in a 60 zone). A letter to the Commissioner saw the fine dropped. I would add, however, my wife also had clean driving for more than 20+ years and we advised the police she would happily accept a caution in lieu of the fine. SO I’m not sure if an appeal by yourself would have been as successful noting you’re only on your P’s.

gazzalai gazzalai 6:16 pm 14 Jun 09

Mmm okay thanks for the help – and to all the people out there who say call an ambulance – when you’ve been in NSW for long enough, you will realise how long it takes for them to get to you, what is a 5 minute drive for me to the hospital (travelling at the speed limit) is a somewhat…10 minute drive for ambulances to get to my residence…

Deckard Deckard 4:38 pm 14 Jun 09

Plus with an ambulance you’re getting medical care on the way to hospital if you need it.

DJ DJ 3:41 pm 14 Jun 09

Sands said :

I just think it’s a little harsh. If one of my family members needed to go to emergency, I’d be racing them to hospital (as safely as possible). It could be a panic response, but if that’s the *real* reason they’re speeding, I wouldn’t be arguing about <15 over to get to the ER.

The idea of racing seems a little, well, wrong. Panic response? If that’s the case then call an ambulance – that is what they are for isn’t it? Apparently ACTAS have excellent response times…

Spideydog Spideydog 3:12 pm 14 Jun 09

Ambulances are equipped with adequate warning devices, p-plate member of the public does not.
Ambulance drivers are trained and have more experience than p-plate member of the public.
Ambulance drivers have an exemption under the ARR, p-plate member of the public does not.

It is accepted by the public that they want an ambulance to do the conveying in an emergency situation, not a p-plate (or full licence holder for that matter) licence holder.

I think if people make the choice to take someone to hospital and speed in doing so, rather than call 000 and ask for ambulance attendance, they must accept that they MAY be pulled over and MAY receive a traffic infringement notice.

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